[extropy-chat] Famous author self destructs in public!Filmateleven.

[Brett Paatsch]

Samantha wrote:

> A foetus only becomes a child if the woman carrying it
> decides that is her wish.

That would be *generally* true now, in 2005, because so far
as I know the word foetus extends from after day 56 (end of
week 8) up until the time of birth which could be nine months
later.

But it is not always true because sometimes women may
have accidents or fall into unconsciousness and then a 
foetus can be brought into the world by inducement or
by caesarean, rather than at the wish of the woman. 

You asked who was saying the more extreme things? 
Mike was in my opinion.  But Mike is not only about
saying controversial things, he has on this issue quite
a while ago made some good points, perhaps they just
tend to get overlooked sometimes because of how he says
them. 

Given that a foetus is the term used to describe even 
a human entity in the six to nine month period prior to birth,
at least some of which time that foetus has a capacity to live
independently of the mother, then I think it is fair, and indeed
appropriate to have a discussion (here if we are mature enough
for it and in other forums including in the parliaments and
congress whether we are mature enough for it or not because
policy is going to be set there) about what rights that human
entity ought have morally and legally and I think it is fair that
the males in a civil society be entitled to participate in that
discussion and in the formulation of policy. Males as members
of society have rights and obligations and issues to work through
with respect to how human entities at different ages ought be 
treated too. 

I don't think that you disagree with this Samantha. I certainly can't
recall you saying anything that implied you did. Mike has actually
advocated for males to be involved in the policy side. He's advocated
in a Mike like way but imo the purpose of his advocacy is
not wrong for that, just less effective than it might have been. 

Brett Paatsch
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