[extropy-chat] Fear of flying

[kevinfreels.com]

It would probably work, but it would require a lot of speed to keep it in
the air. It's flight characteristics would most likely be similar to that of
the M2-F3 lifting body experiments.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Fear of flying


> What you should have read was "wing". One wing per plane shorn off at
> the root. It would be an interesting experiment in a wind tunnel to see
> if an F-15 could fly without both wings. The intakes, being
> hydraulically manipulable up and down, should provide some control, and
> of course you have two engines that are independently throttlable, so
> you should have some control in all three axes between them. The wings
> primarily provide lift for maneuvering and for whatever fuel and
> weapons are carried on them, so they should be somewhat redundant to an
> aircraft in flight with 50% of its lift remaining in the fuselage, much
> like a lifting body.
>
> --- "kevinfreels.com" <kevin at kevinfreels.com> wrote:
>
> > I can see that. What I read was "wings ripped off at the root" which
> > to me
> > meant that there was no source of lift except for the fuselage which
> > has no
> > control surfaces.
> >
> > As for the Airbus, I think there were two different incidents. That
> > jet
> > without a rudder still leaves the CP behind the CG. It is designed
> > that way.
> > Of course, it was never designed to be flown without the tail
> > entirely which
> > happened in a separate incident.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "spike" <spike66 at comcast.net>
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> > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:58 PM
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> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
> > [mailto:extropy-chat-
> > > > bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of kevinfreels.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:54 PM
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> > > >
> > > > I somehow doubt that a jet with wings ripped off at the root
> > would be
> > able
> > > > manage controlled flight back to base...
> > >
> > > Mike do you have a photo of that plane?  It somehow made it
> > > back with durn near most of one wing gone.  Hell if I know
> > > how he managed to keep it airborne.  That was a pilot with
> > > the right stuff.
> > >
> > >
> > > > As for the French plane, those jets
> > > > barely even need a rudder. It's only function is to assist
> > landing in a
> > > > crosswind...
> > >
> > >
> > > That plane lost more than the rudder.  It lost the
> > > vertical stabilizer, which moved the center of pressure
> > > forward of the GC, which made it unflyable, completely
> > > uncontrollable.
> > >
> > > spike
> > >
> > >
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> Mike Lorrey
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