[extropy-chat] Thoughts on Schiavo

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There would have been much much more money left in the settlement had Mr. 
Schiavo been succesfull on his first attempt to have his wife killed - 10 
years ago. Thats when the legal battles began.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Thoughts on Schiavo


>
> --- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:
>> > The sole legitimate purpose of government is to help individuals
>> defend
>> > themselves against force or fraud. If they are incapable of doing
>> so,
>> > they must be the ward of another individual, or the state, which
>> must
>> > be held responsible for any force or fraud that befalls them.
>>
>> Her husband is such an individual.As others pointed out he spend
>> years clinging to hope.
>
> The only hope I have heard him express is that she was going to die
> sooner on her own. Before he claimed she wante to die, he was witnessed
> by multiple nurses asking "When is that bitch gonna die?"
>
>>  as others pointed out there is no money that he is selfishly
>> attempting to do her in for.  He finally came to the point of
>> letting go.  By rights it was his sad decision to make.  Why are his
>> rights being ignored?    Why are you here heaping aspersions and
>> contempt on this man you do not know?
>
> The guy spent half the money on attorneys rather than her care. What
> does that say to you? That spent half of her money on convincing the
> state to kill her for him.
>
>>
>> >
>> > Contrary to claims by some here, Terri never was witnessed by
>> anyone
>> > but her husband to have expressed a desire to not be sustained in
>> the sort of condition she is in, and even he never mentioned such a
>> desire until she was a good ten years into her current condition.
>>
>> None of that is at all uncommon.
>
> Maybe not uncommon, but it still isn't of sufficient legal weight to
> justify killing someone. You certainly can't send someone to death row
> on such a flimsy case.
>
>>
>> > As there
>> > were no other witnesses, and no signed contract in the form of a
>> living
>> > will, the default choice should be to sustain her life and provide
>> as
>> > much therapy to improve her condition as possible, therapy that her
>> > husband has steadfastly denied her, if only to determine what her
>> true intent is.
>>
>> For what purpose?  She is not here.  She has been gone a long time
>> now.
>
> How do you know this? Has any attempt ever been made to repair? No. Has
> any attempt been made with monitors of brain wave activity? I have not
> seen such online.
>
> In fact, I have seen online some images on the imminst.org forum of a
> person with similar brain damage whose tissue revived after treatment.
>
> My mother was in a coma for a month and a half, and when she came out
> of it she was in similar condition: she could not speak, could barely
> move, she had almost entirely lost her memory of her life since
> childhood and when she was able to speak after several months of
> intensive speech therapy and round the clock attention, was convinced
> she was married to a different man named "Frank" and that we were not
> her 'real' children, and when she came home she was convinced it was
> not her home. It took an immense amount of work to bring her back to
> her normal self. I didn't work for 8 months solid outside of caring for
> her.
>
> She suffered a significant amount of brain damage from that drug
> induced coma and the systemic infection due to her ruptured stomach.
> Some might recall my asking for some feedback on this list back then on
> different issues, one having to do with swelling of her brain due to
> electrolyte imbalances which were really touch and go for a while. At
> no time could you have told me that she was no longer herself.
>
> Once again, I am brought to the conclusion that a number of list
> members here are suffering from a severe lack of dynamic optimism.
> Unfortunately, I don't know how to cure that either.
>
> Mike Lorrey
> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>                                      -William Pitt (1759-1806)
> Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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