[extropy-chat] go easy on Mr. Schiavo

[Al Brooks]

I'm not going to say you are wrong however no proof of
this allegation exists. You don't back up Schiavo's
allegedly attempting to kill Terry ten years ago, or
fifteen years ago, or any other time. Schiavo rightly
is tired of the circus literally surrounding Terry,
and frankly after 21 years of marriage a guy might be
tired of Marilyn Monroe herself.
I think Schiavo is getting a bad rap, and unless you
provide us with hard evidence of him trying to kill
his wife you might want to be fair to him... it's
merely a suggestion.

--- tankdoc <tankdoc at adelphia.net> wrote:
> There would have been much much more money left in
> the settlement had Mr. 
> Schiavo been succesfull on his first attempt to have
> his wife killed - 10 
> years ago. Thats when the legal battles began.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Thoughts on Schiavo
> 
> 
> >
> > --- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mar 27, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >> > The sole legitimate purpose of government is to
> help individuals
> >> defend
> >> > themselves against force or fraud. If they are
> incapable of doing
> >> so,
> >> > they must be the ward of another individual, or
> the state, which
> >> must
> >> > be held responsible for any force or fraud that
> befalls them.
> >>
> >> Her husband is such an individual.As others
> pointed out he spend
> >> years clinging to hope.
> >
> > The only hope I have heard him express is that she
> was going to die
> > sooner on her own. Before he claimed she wante to
> die, he was witnessed
> > by multiple nurses asking "When is that bitch
> gonna die?"
> >
> >>  as others pointed out there is no money that he
> is selfishly
> >> attempting to do her in for.  He finally came to
> the point of
> >> letting go.  By rights it was his sad decision to
> make.  Why are his
> >> rights being ignored?    Why are you here heaping
> aspersions and
> >> contempt on this man you do not know?
> >
> > The guy spent half the money on attorneys rather
> than her care. What
> > does that say to you? That spent half of her money
> on convincing the
> > state to kill her for him.
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Contrary to claims by some here, Terri never
> was witnessed by
> >> anyone
> >> > but her husband to have expressed a desire to
> not be sustained in
> >> the sort of condition she is in, and even he
> never mentioned such a
> >> desire until she was a good ten years into her
> current condition.
> >>
> >> None of that is at all uncommon.
> >
> > Maybe not uncommon, but it still isn't of
> sufficient legal weight to
> > justify killing someone. You certainly can't send
> someone to death row
> > on such a flimsy case.
> >
> >>
> >> > As there
> >> > were no other witnesses, and no signed contract
> in the form of a
> >> living
> >> > will, the default choice should be to sustain
> her life and provide
> >> as
> >> > much therapy to improve her condition as
> possible, therapy that her
> >> > husband has steadfastly denied her, if only to
> determine what her
> >> true intent is.
> >>
> >> For what purpose?  She is not here.  She has been
> gone a long time
> >> now.
> >
> > How do you know this? Has any attempt ever been
> made to repair? No. Has
> > any attempt been made with monitors of brain wave
> activity? I have not
> > seen such online.
> >
> > In fact, I have seen online some images on the
> imminst.org forum of a
> > person with similar brain damage whose tissue
> revived after treatment.
> >
> > My mother was in a coma for a month and a half,
> and when she came out
> > of it she was in similar condition: she could not
> speak, could barely
> > move, she had almost entirely lost her memory of
> her life since
> > childhood and when she was able to speak after
> several months of
> > intensive speech therapy and round the clock
> attention, was convinced
> > she was married to a different man named "Frank"
> and that we were not
> > her 'real' children, and when she came home she
> was convinced it was
> > not her home. It took an immense amount of work to
> bring her back to
> > her normal self. I didn't work for 8 months solid
> outside of caring for
> > her.
> >
> > She suffered a significant amount of brain damage
> from that drug
> > induced coma and the systemic infection due to her
> ruptured stomach.
> > Some might recall my asking for some feedback on
> this list back then on
> > different issues, one having to do with swelling
> of her brain due to
> > electrolyte imbalances which were really touch and
> go for a while. At
> > no time could you have told me that she was no
> longer herself.
> >
> > Once again, I am brought to the conclusion that a
> number of list
> > members here are suffering from a severe lack of
> dynamic optimism.
> > Unfortunately, I don't know how to cure that
> either.
> >
> > Mike Lorrey
> > Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> > "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of
> human freedom.
> > It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of
> slaves."
> >                                      -William Pitt
> (1759-1806)
> > Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
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