[extropy-chat] A crushing defense of objective ethics. UniversalVolition and 'Ought' from 'is'.

Marc Geddes marc_geddes at yahoo.co.nz
Fri May 6 05:48:24 UTC 2005

>Let's briefly review your reasoning chain:
>Meaning comes from minds, subjectivity comes from
>minds, "meaning" has a
>meaning and it also comes from minds, "importance"
>has a meaning and it
>comes from minds, "good" has a meaning and it comes
>from minds, "evil" has a
>meaning and it comes from minds; therefore you
>conclude ethics is objective.
>And I don't understand why you should even care, if
>that cloud of hydrogen
>gas has an opinion on what I should do next I'm not
>very interested in what
>it is, I'll follow my own counsel thank you very
>much because subjectivity
>is far more important that objectivity.
>  John K Clark

I think you're not using the terms 'objectivity' and
'subjectivity' in the sense which I meant them.

Of course *subjective experience* is of great
importance.  I said that.  I said meaning comes from
minds, which you agreed with.

But by 'objective' I simply meant 'objective facts'
ie. 'Conclusions derieved through the use of reason
which all rational sentient observers could in
principle agree with'.  

Re-read my argument.  You should certainly care about
what that hydrogen gas cloud is doing if the gas cloud
is in a physical state which is reducing the
probability of the continued existence of the
universe.  Remember... if the universe ends... all
sentient life ends as well, including you.



THE BRAIN is wider than the sky,  
  For, put them side by side,  
The one the other will include  
  With ease, and you beside. 

-Emily Dickinson

'The brain is wider than the sky'


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