[extropy-chat] Re:Just trying to figure it out
Anna Tylor
femmechakra at hotmail.com
Fri Nov 11 09:08:51 UTC 2005
A model of mind-body is proposed: a potential ideal of
computational leverage
Mechanisms that are based upon primitive properties
of the universe (such as space, time, and number of
dimensions) derived from modern physics consistency
arguments.
The ideal solution for unlimited intelligence would
require a sparse, high dimensional spacetime
(unrestricted locality) and a formalized observer
mechanism (mobile observer framework based on a
superset of inertial frame properties).
This solution simultaneously addresses the
semantical issue of unrestricted locality by
maintaining a space/time metric but by going
beyond the non-locality constraints of 4D physical
implementation layers.
A nonphysical mind really does exist:
It should be amenable to study in the
same fashion as other physical theories that
deal with indirectly observable phenomena.
Since humans are intelligent as well as conscious,
they can predict computational theory to the key,
requirement for a solution to the mind-brain puzzle.
Such a theory must address the representational
issue of information versus knowledge (or knowing).
The problems.... vision and language,
dynamic motion control, and cryptography, far exceed any conventional
computing machine ability.
Future scalability lrestrict's how to powerfullly design or build.
The reasons:
ordinary human intelligence may be a prerequisite
to understanding consciousness.
These strategies for providing extraordinary computing
resources might also provide insight concerning
computational processes with properties suitable
for consciousness. It is possible that systems that
exhibit the self organization required for human
"real intelligence" (nothing artificial about it),
may exhibit consciousness.
Physics must ultimately develop a solution for human
"real intelligence", because it represents an
evolutionary, complexity increasing informational
process. This process must not violate what
physicists know about the evolution of the
complexity of the universe.
The question: Consistency frameworks form the
physical foundation for multiple observational
viewpoints or different "Points of View".
Formally defining the interaction between
the observer and the "action or thing being observed"
is part of understanding the observation process.
Historically, scientists have prided themselves
in their belief that true science occurs when the
observer does not participate or disturb an act of
measurement. Unfortunately, quantum physics
measurements depend on how a question is asked or
what question is asked. If an experiment asks
particle questions then the results are particle
answers. If an experiment asks wave questions
then the results are wave answers. Likewise in
relativity, asking how much "energy" is in a system
is dependent on the observer's velocity and
acceleration.
The main idea stated in Einstein's relativity:
principle was that "all inertial frames are
totally equivalent for the performance of all
physical experiments."[18] In other words,
no matter where you are in space or what
speed you are traveling, the laws of physics
must be the same.
The laws define the possibility that all
actions as well as the process of observing
those actions are from any vantage point.
One major outcome from relativity was experimental
proof that the speed of light is constant no matter
how you measure it, and no matter what speed you
are traveling. In fact, mass, energy, distance,
and time have changing values depending on
one's speed.
Facts:
1) Consistency is more primitive than
conservation laws of energy/mass, or space and time
2) Consistency requires light to follow locally
"straight line" geodesics (curved spacetime)
3) Consistency mechanisms behave as superluminal
synchronization primitives
4) Consistency mechanisms interact outside normal
excluding illegal time loops
5) Increased dimensionality increases degrees of
freedom
6) These ideas appeal to researchers studying the mind
and consciousness because certain biological[20],
psychological[21], parapsychological[22],
and meditative research[23] strongly suggest
that these properties are exhibited by the mind.
An interesting point to note concerning computational
leverage mechanisms is that they deal with cosmological
issues such as the framework of spacetime and the
structure of the universe, and are thus, "outside
the box" of what is normal day-to-day physics.
This is not surprising given that the evolution
of the mind (both collectively and individually)
deals with many of the same issues (information,
complexity, and energy) as the evolution of the
universe.
Conclusion:
Modern physics theories that are based on observer
consistency arguments have already defined many
possible avenues for computational leverage based
on indirect measurement and extraordinary views of
space and time. These models of sparse
hyperspacetime form a consistency backdrop for
all possible events and all possible observer
interactions. Consciousness may be a direct
consequence of a dualist model of the mind-brain
based on these consistency and computational
leverage mechanisms. If the dualist model of the
mind exists outside normal spacetime, then the mind
is akin to a "Godel machine" that is capable of
stepping outside of our normal spacetime limits.
So.Yudkowsky..
A model of mind-body is proposed: from femmechakra
what do u think?
This is my first publication..i really have no idea what i'm talking
about!..lol
I just want an opinion
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