[extropy-chat] Qualia Bet

[gts]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:30:39 -0500, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 04:04:20PM -0500, gts wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:52:07 -0500, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> Thinking about insects, probably they live entirely in the present,  
>>>> with no self-concept and zero recall of their qualia.... something  
>>>> like
>> >>watching a movie frame by frame but always forgetting the previous
>> >>frames.
>> >
>> >You are wrong, again.
>>
>> Only an insect could know I was wrong.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=insect+long-term+memory&btnG=Google+Search

I'm not suggesting they can't learn, Eugen.  Memory alone does not imply  
the ability to recall qualia.

Show me the evidence that insects can recall their qualia in the sense  
that I (and presumably you) do when recalling *what it was like* to  
experience a color. This requires seeing something in the "mind's eye". I  
doubt insects are sufficiently advanced to have anything like a mind's  
eye. Probably they *see* images but cannot *form* them, i.e., probably  
they cannot *imaginate*.


-gts