[extropy-chat] A few points of interest for future historians

[Samantha Atkins]

You are bringing your dirty laundry from the SL4 list to this list?    
Is this what you want "future historians" to record?

  It is certainly true you have asserted a great number of things.   
Unfortunately many of those in the minority  that had enough  
substance and intelligibility to be reviewed did not stand up too  
well under critical examination.

- s

On Sep 24, 2005, at 2:13 AM, Marc Geddes wrote:

> Given all the ad hominem attacks and condescending remarks made by  
> Wilson and Yudkowsky against me on the SL4 list, I think it's only  
> fair that I point out to futuire historians a few things of  
> interest don't you?
>
> ---
>
> *Who first started making reference to '7 Universal Knowledge  
> Domains' ?
>
> Answer:  It was Geddes, as shown by numerous references to '7  
> Universal Knowledge Domains' by Geddes on public mailing lists long  
> before anyone else.
>
> ---
>
> *Who first suggested that the Bayesian framework as it existed  
> circa turn of the 21st century was seriously incomplete?
>
> Answer:  It was Geddes.  Where as Wilson and Yudkowsky thought that  
> the notion of 'causality' was entirely reducible to fundamental  
> physics (as shown by explicit statements on the SL4 list) Geddes  
> disputed this.  In fact on this very Extropy list, Geddes just  
> recently stated that there were 3 different kinds of causality,  
> requiring 3 different probability frameworks and the Bayesian  
> framework as it existed circa beginning of the 21 century  
> (Kolmogorov complexity and Solomonoff  Induction ) deals only with  
> one kind of causality (the physics kind).
>
> ---
>
> *Who insisted that there was a Universal Morality and that past a  
> certain smartness threshold all AGI's would automatically become  
> friendly?  Who maintained that unfriendly AGI's cannot recursively  
> self-improve and that the problem of recursive self-improvement is  
> entirely equivalent to the problem of friendliness?
>
> Answer:  It was Geddes.  Despite repeated ridicule by Wilson and  
> Yudkowsky on the Sl4 list, it was Geddes that asserted these things.
>
> ---
>
> *Who mainted that general intelligence without sentience was  
> impossible, and suggested a classification scheme for minds in  
> general based on the degree of awareness present?  Who said that  
> awareness of the
> Mind--------Reality relationship defined a transhuman?
>
> Answer:  Geddes.  Just recently posted on the Extropy list.
>
> ---
>
> Who first posted the beginnings of an outline for the "Periodic  
> Table Of Cognition' and the beginnings of an 'ultimate metaphysics'  
> in which something called *Mathematico-Cognition' (a hybrid of  
> mathematics and cognition) was the identified as the ultimate  
> noumenon of reality
>
> Answer:  Geddes.  On the SL4 Wiki:
>
> http://www.sl4.org/wiki/MarcGeddes/SentientCenteredTheoryOfMetaphysics
>
> and
>
> http://www.sl4.org/wiki/MarcGeddes/UniversalDataTypes
>
> Also see Geddes's dated post in the 'Theory Of Evrything' archives:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/everything-list@eskimo.com/msg07960.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Please vist my website:
> http://www.riemannai.org
>
> Science, Sci-Fi and Philosophy
>
> ---
>
> THE BRAIN is wider than the sky,
> For, put them side by side,
> The one the other will include
> With ease, and you beside.
>
> -Emily Dickinson
>
> 'The brain is wider than the sky'
> http://www.bartleby.com/113/1126.html
> Send instant messages to your online friends http:// 
> au.messenger.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> extropy-chat mailing list
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo/extropy-chat
>

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20050924/80a65e3d/attachment.html>