[extropy-chat] Protect ourselves to prevent a return to the middle ages

Al Brooks kerry_prez at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 8 21:59:49 UTC 2006


This is fine as a polemic, but the question is: what are you going to do about it? Nothing. It's up to law enforcement in the countries in question to take responsibility
   
   
  >Western countries must protect these fundamental rights without compromise,and >all the more reason ! to do so when the enemies of freedom brandish death threats >and threaten violence. It is unacceptable to concede to any threatsof violence.

>Some Islamic countries are even considering to request the UN to vote for
>laws forbidding any texts of drawings lacking religious respect.

>Some westerners even try to justify these requests by equating these
>caricatures to incitement to racial or religious hatred, comparing them to
>the anti-semite drawings that were published in German papers during the
>rise of nazi-ism.

But the difference between the two stands out large and clear: the
anti-semite drawings really did incite hatred towards Jews through their
texts and propagated false information such as claiming that the Jews were
pillaging the German economy, or sacrificing children. They did not just
limit themselves to caricaturing a prophet or a god.

In the name of freedom of expression, so long as they don't explicitly
incite violence ! or racial and religious hate, which of course should be
forbidden, any other drawing and caricature which is purely humorous should
be allowed, whatever the subject and whoever their target.

No subject should be taboo or prohibited, otherwise freedom of expression
ceases to exist and the demon of religious or political censorship rears
its ugly head. For sure any explicit incitement to hatred or violence
against any religion or ethnic group should be severely punished by law,
but the right to laugh, and to laugh at anything without exception should
not be touched.

But the problem that this affair raises is in fact much deeper and serious
than that. We are presently seeing what I had prophesised a couple of
decades ago in one of my texts where I was warning the western world to get
ready to defend its fundamental rights against the influence of other
countries still living in the middle ages.

What we have is the confrontation of two civilisations: a modern and
liberated one clashing with another one trailing behind by a couple of
centuries due to lack of education and science, still stuck in
superstitions, under the grip of primitive beliefs and which has not yet
accomplished the fundamental step of separating church and state.

These two civilisations are now trying to impose their "values" on each
other. The confrontation of these two value systems is irresolvable,
especially when the less advanced one has such tenacious paradigms that
they are fanaticising to the extreme and which prevents them from seeing
the truth.

But the greatest danger is if the modern world makes concessions to the
primitive one. That will be a victory of obscurantism over science and
freedom.

It is the less advanced society which must progress and not the other way
round. On the contrary, the western world must continue to accelerate its
progressive reforms which allow i! t to completely destroy the last
puritanical and conventional traces inherited from the oppressive
judeo-christian traditions. Among other things would be the acceptance of
cloning, stem-cells and genetically modified organisms.

If muslims refuse to eat pork, that is their right, but they don't have the
right to impose this dietary regime on the rest of the world. That they
refuse to represent their prophet Mohamed is also their right, but neither
should they impose this rule on non muslims.

And if the modern world accepted to limit its own freedom of expression to
placate the sensitivities of muslims, then they are entering the slippery
slope of a return back to the dark ages.

Not only should the western world refuse to be influenced by the primitive
world, but they must do all they can via the promotion of education and use
of modern medias such as satellite TV or the internet, to help the
primitive societies to liberate th! emselves from the yoke of their
retrograde religion and to realise a true separation of their church and
state which western nations enjoy today.

And the modern world should concede none of its liberties and protect
itself from the threats of violence perpetrated by the fanatics.

Though the Raelian philosophy promotes absolute non violence, it also
promotes the right to legitimate self-defence, if necessary by force, but a
reasonable force aimed at reducing their attackers to powerlessness rather
than killing them.

And though we condemn all military attacks, such as the illegal invasions
of Afghanistan and Iraq by the US, that does not mean that we recommend
total inaction in the face of criminal cowardice which would allow medieval
forces to destroy the freedom of the modern world and murder its citizens.

The western world should develop weapons to specifically protect itself
from fanatical attacks of those who don't tolerat! e our rights and freedom.

It is important to compare the basic differences of these two clashing
societies in order to understand the differences and bad faith that these
defenders of medieval cultures use to seduce us into taking a step
backwards. Here are a few examples out of many:

The right to apostatise:
In the western countries, in accordance with human rights, people are free
to apostatise from their religion, either to convert to another or just to
become atheist and renounce all belief in a god. But in most Islamic
countries, in total disregard to these human rights, such apostasy is
illegal and the law can condemn anyone to death if they apostatise from the
Islamic religion.

The right to blaspheme:
In western countries, people are free to blaspheme. In the Islamic
countries the law can heavily condemn someone for this.

The right of women:
In western countries, the law on gender equality enshrines equal righ! ts for
women as for men on all levels.
In Islamic countries, women are considered inferior, it is legal to beat
them, they must wear the veil, or even worse the Burka, they are denied
access to education and are not allowed to drive cars, whereas men are
exempt from such restrictions.
Men can practice polygamy (have several wives) whereas women cannot
practice polyandry (have several husbands).
Women are never considered major and depend always on the authority of
either their father, husband or brother.
Every year thousands of women are legally murdered with impunity by male
members of their own family in what is called "crimes of honour".

Gay rights:
In western countries, homosexuals enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals
and can even legally marry.
In Islamic countries, to be homosexual means heavy prison sentences or even
a sentence of death.

Sexual mutilation:
In western countries all sexual mutilation is illeg! al, whereas in Islamic
countries, excision (cutting off the clitoris) is practiced on millions of
little girls every year, as well as circumcision on boys.

The list is almost endless.

Each one of these situations is intolerable and constitutes a breach of
human rights. But what is all the more shocking is that muslims wish to
impose these unilaterally on our modern societies.

For example they demand the right to build mosques in the west and to be
allowed unlimited proselytism aimed at converting as many people as
possible - while in the west citizens are allowed to convert to islam - and
yet in Islamic countries the construction of non Islamic churches is
prohibited and anyone seeking to proselytise in the name of any religion
other than islam will be condemned to a very heavy prison sentence. And
anyone who tries to apostatise from islam or converts to another religion
can be condemned to death. Double standards.

An! other example: muslims demand the right to wear the Islamic veil in
western schools and can freely carry it anytime in public. But if a western
woman visits an Islamic country, she has to cover her hair with an Islamic
scarf and of course wearing a miniskirt would be under pain of death.
Again, double standards.

Human rights are very clear on both of these subjects: they guarantee
religious freedom, the right to convert, the right to proselytise. But this
must be reciprocal: if muslims wish to enjoy freedom and rights in western
countries guaranteed by the most beautiful fruit produced by the modern
world: Human Rights, then they too must imperatively respect them in their
own countries.

As long as total reciprocity is not respected, muslims should not be
allowed to enjoy the rights and freedoms of western countries that they
deny to visitors in their own countries. That means that Islamic
proselytism should be forbidden in the we! st as long as the proselytism of
other religions, or of atheism is not legalised in Islamic countries. And
the wearing of the veil or burka should be forbidden in the west as long as
women are not allowed to walk about with their head naked and in
mini-skirts in Islamic countries. In that way, there will be no double
standards.

The defence of values of modern countries, especially their rights so
preciously cumulated over the ages is essential particularly when they are
under attack by fanatics who's religious books teach hate, crime and
violence against those who are not faithful to their religion.

The Koran is very clear, it says in black and white:
"Kill the idolaters wherever you can find them, capture them, lay siege to
them, and ambush them. But if they convert, if they give money.., then
leave them in peace because Allah forgives and takes pity on them" Koran
IX. 5.

Islam also officially encourages racism and discrimination:
"Oh believers, do not befriend any Jew or Christian, because they are their
own allies. He who befriends them will become like them and god will not be
a guide for such a pervert" Koran V. 51.

Islamic sexism and the encouragement to their family violence also stems
from their "sacred writings":
"Men are superior to women thanks to the qualities that god gave to men to
raise them above women. Reprimand those women who you fear might not obey
you, banish them to separate beds and beat them" Koran IV. 34.

Even the life of the prophet Mohamed is considered exemplary and sacred
even though he was a pillager of caravans, or that he married Aicha when
she was still a little girl of only 9 years old as the writings relate. In
modern countries, to sleep with a 9 year old is called paedophilia. And
don't excuse it by claiming that it was common at the time. An act of
pedophilia always has and always will be a criminal ! act. Muslims cannot
consider Mohamed as a model of perfection and infallibility otherwise they
approve of pedophilia.

If the sacred books of Islam openly preach the murder of infidels, that is
to say anyone who is not a muslim or is atheist, then we, who live in the
west are all legitimate targets for them. The only way out of this massacre
is to convert to islam and that is what they officially announce. In fact
the Koran clearly states that muslims should convert the whole planet to
islam and kill all those who refuse this conversion. It is high time for
the free world to become aware of this reality taught by 1.3 billion
muslims, that is to say about a quarter of the world population.

Some people claim that that only fanatics interpret the Koran in this way
and that the majority of muslims interpret it in a more tolerant way and
don't apply such outdated rules. That is possible, but nevertheless, it is
the fanatics who at any opportunity drag the rest of the muslim world, even
the more tolerant, back to the "righteous path" by obliging them to apply
in full what is called the "word of god".

And every day, millions of young muslims around the world go to Koran
school which continue to teach these incitations to hatred and crime. For
sure they are not taught to interpret with tolerance or look at the larger
picture. Since it is the word of god transmitted by the prophet, such a
word by definition cannot be interpreted in a lighter way, it has to be
applied in its integrality. What is written is written.

The only solution to the problem is to prohibit any religion which teaches
violence and racial, religious or ethnic hate. We would never accept any
political party which promotes such a policy, it would be immediately
forbidden. So why accept it from a religion which conditions the behaviour
of the young generation far more than a political party does?

Therefore we should forbid islam as long as it continues to teach such
illegal horrors around the world. The only way that islam could escape such
a prohibition would be if its directors accept to censure its religious
texts and remove the passages which incite to crime. In that way, muslims
will prove their good faith and be able to join the international community
where only those religions which incite tolerance will be able to live in
harmony and mutual respect.

The UN must immediately initiate an international committee to censure
religious writings (all religious writings) to ensure they conform to human
rights and to once and for all remove all the passages which infringe upon
them.

As long as that is not done, islam should be 
declared illegal in western countries and Islamic 
schools and places of such cult where these 
abominations are taught every day, should be 
forbidden as the breeding grounds o! f the terrorists and criminals of
tomorrow


The modern and free world must protect its freedom, if necessary by force,
but once again with the least violent force to ensure the legitimate
defence of its values.

The scientific advance enjoyed by the west allows it to protect itself
militarily and in a most non violent way from the fanatics who wish to
bring it back to the middle ages. This advance should be maintained so that
even if the Islamic fundamentalists largely outnumber the western
population, they remain incapable of presenting a threat to the modern
world.

A long time ago, islam already invaded spain and a part of france before
being pushed back militarily, which shows that the west is not the only one
guilty of invading sovereign states such as Afghanistan or Iraq. If Islamic
fundamentalists had the means technologically and militarily, there is no
shadow of a doubt that they would invade the western world tod! ay and try
and exterminate all those who don't convert to Islam.

And this they would do using a list of false pretences: because the western
world had previously colonised the muslim world which left them with a
desire for vengeance, because they think that the western world pillaged
their oil riches, because they resent the western world for having stolen
their Palestinian territories to create the state of Israel, because they
are occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, etc, but all these are just false
excuses: the truth is that their religion teaches them to convert the whole
planet and exterminate all those who refuse to convert, the infidels and
the atheists as their invasion of some parts of Europe a few centuries ago
has already proved.

This philosophy of world dominance to create a "kingdom of god" on earth
is what is the most dangerous. And the western world cannot accept that
every day millions of young children are conditioned ! to accept this vision
of the future.

The violent manifestations following the caricatures of a prophet
constitute just one little detail which reveals another danger. That of our
own modern values and freedom being destroyed by a domination-seeking and
intolerant people, and ourselves being dragged back to the middle ages.

For these reason, modern societies should protect their values and
fundamental rights, without making the slightest concession, if necessary
by the use of force, arming themselves by developing new technologies so as
to preserve sufficient advance to remain invincible, in the face of all the
primitive and obscurantist forces of the planet.

RAEL

www.rael.org


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