[extropy-chat] Scientology and Transhumanism

Joseph Bloch transhumanist at goldenfuture.net
Thu Feb 16 22:04:57 UTC 2006


I think you mean http://www.theconsensus.org

Joseph

Pete Bertine wrote:

>On 2/16/06, BillK <pharos at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>On 2/16/06, Dirk Bruere wrote:
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>>> I am pursuaded, but you are brainwashed etc
>>> The fact that two people can come to conflicting conclusions given the
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>>>data means that there is likely no objective position.
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>>That is a very silly, smart-alec statement unworthy of you, Dirk.
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>>Either,
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>>1) You have very little knowledge of the way cult persuaders work and
>>the techniques they use. (Which I find hard to believe), or,
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>>2) You are intent on defending the cult persuaders techniques by
>>equating them with a group of people having a discussion.
>>(Which is a ridiculous comparison. Naive people meeting these cult
>>persuaders for the first time are like children in the lions den).
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>>3) Or maybe it was just a cynical remark that appealed to you at the time.
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>>4) Caveat Emptor - I do not like the idea that people should be 'saved
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>>from themselves' when they do something you don't like. What
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>>consenting adults do amongst themselves is not my business, nor is it
>>yours IMO.
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>>Dirk
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>Hang on, I just googled you.  www.theconsensus.com Now I see why you like
>Hubbard !
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>Your 8 pointed star looks a lot like the church of scientology's "cross"
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>http://www.theconsensus.org/uk/copyrights/index.html
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>For the CoS symbol look half way down wikipedia's site
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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
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>Dirk - These aren't people being sold a lousy stereo or used car with the
>odo turned back.  In many cases children are abused in a cult and adults who
>become aware that they are in a cult are not allowed to leave, are
>terrorized, even killed.
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>You said," What consenting adults do amongst themselves is not my business,
>nor is it yours IMO."  That is a poorly reasoned sentence.  You allow that
>all people have a right to do as they chose, then you insist that others
>must agree with you.
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>We are not talking about saving an individual from themself.  We are talking
>about a group of people who have spun a fairytale out of an egomaniacs drug
>induced fantasy world.  We are talking about L Ron Hubbard who fed his son
>phenobarb laced chewing gum. A man who injected his son with speed and wrote
>a book about how his son thought he had become a clam. A book that later
>became Scientology gospel  
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