[extropy-chat] Cryonics and uploading

[Brandon Reinhart]

It boils down, for me, simply to the subjective experience. If the copy
boots up, would I experience its state subjectively? Sure, everyone else
would interact with it just as if it were me. But I don't want to preserve
my objective self, I want to preserve my subjective self. The linear
conscious narrative that exists between sleep cycles.that's what I want to
keep around for years to come :-)

 

Brandon

 

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From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Russell Wallace
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:12 AM
To: ExI chat list
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Cryonics and uploading

 

On 1/26/06, Bret Kulakovich <bret at bonfireproductions.com> wrote:

 

What a nice thread! Here's my two kopeks worth.

 

Lets jump forward and assume perfects - we quantum entangle a brain into a
cubic 20cm box. It is a perfect and exact copy. Good job!

 

But even though it is a duplicate of the original, it is not the original,
no matter how perfect.


Okay, so you hold the thread view of identity, fair enough. 

 

The mind/body problem holds generally that monists hold conscience as an
electro-chemical event, the body and mind are inseparable. Dualists hold
that the mind/body are separate and discreet, perhaps a body/soul or
body/spirit is going on, and they are distinct.


*laughs* I suppose I've seen patternites accuse threadites [1] of believing
in dualism and the soul often enough, the compliment was bound to be
returned sooner or later.

But no, neither view has anything to do with that. If you're going to try to
relate the pattern view to classical philosophy, you should call it not
dualist but Platonist.

 

You can see one lends itself immediately to the possibility of cryonics, and
the other to uploading. Sure they can each lean in one direction or the
other...


The pattern view is fine with cryonics, just as long as the information in
the brain is preserved.

And in the thread view, you should be fine with gradual uploading (neuron by
neuron, with your thread of consciousness unbroken), just not with
destructive scan uploading. 

 

[1] Barbaric abuse of language, I know, are there any better short terms for
people who subscribe to the thread versus pattern views of identity? I tried
the "-ist" version and it looked even worse.

- Russell

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