[extropy-chat] Cryonics and uploading

[John K Clark]

"Heartland" <velvethum at hotmail.com>

> You could make an atomically precise copy of me and my clone and I could
> be doing different things.

Nonsense, if you make them do different things then the atomic structure of
their brain must change.

> If both of them share the same subjective experience only means just that
> and nothing else.

Only? ONLY! Having your subjective experience continue is the entire point
of immortality. What more could you want?

> The argument that "same subjective experience -> same
> mind" is as valid as "I watch a movie with a friend -> we become one 
> mind".

I wonder if one person on this planet really thinks that when 2 people see
the same movie they both have the same subjective experience. I very much
doubt it.

> I only said that recycling of atoms is a natural occurrence of Moravec
> transfer, that's all. It would be  erfectly legal to perform Moravec
> transfer by means of nanomachines. It's
> the destructive uploading that is the problem.

I see no fundamental difference between what you call "Moravec transfer" and
"destructive uploading", one just happens a little faster than the other.
And science could not find any difference in the products produced by the
two methods, not the slightest bit, zero, nada, zilch. Unless there were
careful record keeping it would be imposable to tell which one is which; and
yet you insist there is nevertheless a colossal astronomical vitally
important difference between the two. If you're right then that difference
can't be anything material or science would spot it, thus it must be
spiritual. It must be the two have different souls, souls that are not
amenable to the scientific method.

Now I'm sure you won't use the word "soul" to describe it, not on the
Extropian list you won't, you'll dream up some euphemism for it, but I know
what you're talking about. And shit by any other name would stink as bad.

  John K Clark