[extropy-chat] "Dead Time" of the Brain.

[John K Clark]

"Heartland" <velvet977 at hotmail.com>

> And no, it has nothing to do with Bose Einstein Condensation.

Science have proven that you can erase the history of an atom, or to put it
in the pompous language you love so much, you can erase from the universe
all information about the space time trajectory of an atom. And yet you say
this rather interesting fact has nothing to do with your theory that space
time trajectories determine everything. As usual you don't even hint at why
it has nothing to do with it when it certainly seems it should, you just say
it doesn't and then say you have responded to my objection brilliantly and
have triumphed over me yet again.

Mr. Heartland that of course is bullshit, and it is crystal clear to me that
until I mentioned it you'd never even heard of a Bose Einstein Condensation,
and even now you haven't even bothered to make a simple Google search on the
subject because that would take away precious time babbling about
trajectories in space time being all important.

> creation of two identical brains, like writing identical number types "1"
> twice, would produce two separate instances of the same brain type. Yes?
> No?

Yes that would produce 2 separate instances of brain type, obviously, but
there would be only one instance of mind type.

> They are records of the activity of matter in time and space.

Those records that have not been erased that is, see Bose Einstein effect.

> It makes absolutely no difference which instances of that matter implement
> that activity.

Because all matter is made of atoms.

> If I throw an object along a unique trajectory it makes absolutely no
> difference to that trajectory if I do this with a baseball or tennis ball.

Because baseballs and tennis balls are both made of atoms. At lest the atoms
in those objects remain the same, unlike the atoms in brains that only stay
for a few weeks; the atoms come into your brain do a little dance for a week
or two and then leave.

> Nothing changed" means "original remains original, copy is still a copy"

Saying the original is the original may be true but it's not very helpful, I
want you to point him out. Person A walks into a duplicating chamber and
produces person B, a nanosecond later all the atoms in person B transfer
over to person A and all the atoms in person A transfer over to person B.
Don't tell me the original is the original tell me is the original A or B
and tell me why.

> the trajectory of the original mind object [..]

Gibberish. It's gibberish because even you don't have a clue what it means
even though you wrote it, I know this because if you did understand it you
would have answered my question the last time I asked,
WHAT THE HELL IS A MIND OBJECT?!

> the original *activity* (not atoms) of mind process continues at the same
> space location.

No it is not the same space location, it is moving about the center of the
Earth at a thousand miles per hour and moving around the sun even faster and
rotating around the center of the Galaxy even faster and moving away from
the Comma Cluster even faster yet.

And anyway it's ridicules to say the key to mind is it's position because
without senses a mind would have no way of knowing where it was, in fact it
would mean little to say it had a position at all. If mind does have a
position it is where its senses are, and that may or may not be where its
brain is.

> Looks like you've been proven wrong again.

Right, you've convinced me, so next time I need surgery I'll just ignore
anesthesia and bite on a stick. By the way is it OK if the surgeon at least
washes his hands before he saws my leg off, or is the germ theory of disease
all nonsense too.

> I answered your questions, as always.

Yep you have answered my questions as you have always done so, as always
those few questions you answered you did so in 10 words or less, like "it
has nothing to do with Bose Einstein Condensation" with no explanation as to
why and no indication that you even know what a Bose Einstein Condensation
is.

   John K Clark