[extropy-chat] Death is irreversible v.1.0

[Samantha Atkins]

On May 7, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Heartland wrote:

> I. Terms and definitions:
>
> Subjective experience - Collective sense of perception and/or  
> cognition.
> Process/activity by which mind experiences reality.

What is the "collective" for?  Collective among what?  Would "sum of"  
be better?  What about self-identity or reflection?

>
> Death/Nonexistence - Subjective experience of nothingness. Absence  
> of that part of
> mind process which is responsible for producing subjective  
> experience. (A type of
> subjective experience one would have if one did not exist at all).
>

Death is a subjective experience?  Really?  I thought you agreed it  
is a lack of any experience.  How can that which does not exist have  
any experience?

> Life - Subjective experience of being in the present moment. It is  
> the presence of
> that part of mind process/activity which is responsible for  
> producing subjective
> experience.

Huh?  This is the total of your definition of "life"?

>
> Mind object (or just "mind") - An object in time and space  
> consisting of all
> matter, but only that matter which is presently and actively  
> involved in producing
> the mind. It is a process consisting of chain of activity of matter  
> and energy in
> time and space.
>

This is circular and meaningless.  A delimited subset of all matter  
"involved in producing the mind" cannot be a definition of "mind".

> Brain object (or just "brain") - An object in time and space that  
> consists of all
> matter that currently does not make up mind object but is necessary  
> to support its
> existence.

What?  You have mind as a material object as far as I can tell but  
brain as some other material object not part of "mind object"?   This  
is confusing.    You need to have mind as a process and not an object  
to make this work I think.

>
> Trajectory of an object - Space-time path of matter making up that  
> object. It is a
> list of all present space-time locations of all matter that  
> currently makes up the
> object.
>

What is this useful for?  There is only one space-time location for  
an object at any moment.  Are you speaking of across the entire  
existence of said object?

> Identity of an object - Unique trajectory of the object in time and  
> space.
>

Nope.  You can't have identity be the same as the trajectory because  
then you leave the question "trajectory of what" unanswered.

> Type - A category of things that share some characteristic. For  
> example, apples and
> oranges are types of fruit. In this case "fruit" is the type.
>

All three are types.  Apple and Orange are more specific types of Fruit.

> Instance of a type - Individual object that belongs to the same  
> type. For example,
> an apple is an instance of fruit type and an orange is also an  
> instance of fruit
> type.
>
> ------
> II. The argument:


With the above broken definitions you have no basis for an argument.

- samantha