[extropy-chat] 'a process of non-thinking called faith' 2 (2)

[kevinfreels.com]

Amen brother Robert. I am completely with you there. Unfortunately "we" only have limited power to solve these problems. Most people don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done. That can be seen in Iraq. 

But you need to have some faith in yourself Robert. You would not do these kinds of things. And you would stop them if you had the power. I know you would. You are the kind of person who would deserve to be uploaded. If I were a god of the future, I would resurrect you. Maybe one day through technology we can find a way to deal with these bad people without hurting and killing hundreds and thousands of good people in the process. Then it will be easier to fix it.

But I do not subscribe to your notion of a lower level gene driven program of genocide. If anything it's a defense mechanism where they feel that if they do not kill, they will be killed. I think that even if they were all genetic clones, after years of being taught different things, living in different cultures and experiencing different lives, they would still be killing each other. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Bradbury 
  To: ExI chat list 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] 'a process of non-thinking called faith' 2 (2)




  On 11/17/06, kevinfreels.com <kevin at kevinfreels.com> wrote:
    When you remove all the things that don;t work out, all you have left if the competition for mates. You can see similar behaviour in wild dogs and cats.

  It is more than "competition for mates" -- something that you might see in any school or corporation or other typical developed world social environment (that which most readers are used to).  It is a low level gene driven higher intellectual capacity supported program of genocide. 

  The special news report I saw, which I believe was by one of the major news networks, was about Arab militiamen explicitly engaging in raping native African women and explicitly marking their bodies to indicate that they had been raped (and therefore undesired as partners).  It is no secret that genocide is occurring at a level just below that which might attract an aggressive response (which is a sad comment on our "state" as a "civilization").  It is one thing to try and settle differences between groups of relatively equal parties (Sunni's & Shia) -- something which may be relatively impossible.  It is another thing to ignore differences between people incapable of equivalent engagement (militia and refuges). 

  What is surprising is that we debate endlessly day in and day out what happens after nanotechnology arrives and we all upload or the fine points of what it means to be an individual and it seems we place little value on thousands to millions of lives being lost due to the actions of a few we choose to ignore ( e.g. Sudan president Omar Al-Bashir).

  It makes me wonder if "we" deserve to be uploaded.  I for one would view the rationalization as difficult.  If we cannot make good judgements now, how can we be expected to make them in the future? 

  The CBS citation is particularly revealing, "I'm sorry to say I'm going to sit here with you in two years time and I'm gonna tell you the same sad story. People will say, 'Ich habe nicht gewusst,' which is German for 'I didn't know."'" "

  Robert

  1. http://www.genocideintervention.net/about/press/coverage/index.php/archives/date/2006/09/ 
  2. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/20/60minutes/main2111909.shtml
  3. http://blogs.ushmm.org/index.php/COC2/C10/P30/





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