[extropy-chat] Putting God to Rest
brent.allsop at comcast.net
Tue Apr 24 03:06:22 UTC 2007
Keith Henson posted:
> 62% secular, atheist
> 24% religious (long list of types)
> 14% other/don't know.
Fascinating! Obviously higher percentage atheist than in the general
But I think we can and should know much more than just these types of
crude numbers to way to general of a topic.
Anna, I really appreciated your comments! I’m a member of the Mormon
Transhumanist Association. (http://transfigurism.org) All of them
(except for me) definitely believe in God. (I just believe in their
great culture, and that humans can become God. And there was some
trepidation about letting me, a devout Atheist in. ;)
I wanted to use the word “Extropy” more in the organization and such but
I discovered that they don’t like that term, primarily because they
think all “Extropians” are atheists. They much prefer Transhumanist
which they all definitely are – as much as they are Mormon.
As far as knowing much more quantitatively, precisely who believes what
and why, that is precisely the goal of the Canonizer
As you can see, there is a structured wikipedia type topic there about
God. (About the only real topic so far.)
Most MTA members are in this camp:
Agreement / Theist / Monotheism / Christian / LDS / Transhuminist
But I am in this camp:
Agreement / Traditional / Extropian
And to me the most important part of this “camp” about God is that if
there is already a powerful God, while there is such evil as isolation
and death… Then were are screwed, and even if we become as powerful as
him, we will be as impotent as him at eliminating such evils.
I would be interested to know if there is any objection here to my usage
of the term “Extropian” as a name for this belief about God. And about
the general usage of the term extropy to refer to an Atheist
Transhumanist. I would like to see this "Canonized" What do you all think?
And of course, I would like to know precisely what camp all of you, all
transhumanists, and everyone else is in also. Wouldn’t it be great if
you knew precisely who believed what, why and all that? And wouldn’t it
be fun to see when people converted from one camp to another, and to
find out why and everything? I bet we’d find some real surprises! And
once all your POV is adequately documented, when the topic comes up
again on the list, instead of going through the same old same old again,
you could finally just refer the commenter to your camp’s statement page
on this (or any other) topic right?!
Currently I have this structured Wiki functionality completed in the
Canonizer so people can now add their POV. I almost have the
functionality required to “support” or vote on a camp. I would sure love
it if all of you would visit there, and each of you basically “cast your
vote” on what you believe about God. If your POV isn’t contained or
adequately described in that structure, wouldn’t it be great if someone
entered a new camp in the proper location to justly represent that POV?
(And remember, it is still just a crude prototype work in progress, any
and all feedback, and even more – any and all help, would be greatly
appreciated and compensated [see the what is the Canonizer link on the
Just how diverse are all of your beliefs??? Wouldn’t it be great to know
this precisely and quantitatively???
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