[ExI] any exact copy of you is you + universe is infinite = you are guaranteed immortality

Stathis Papaioannou stathisp at gmail.com
Sun Jun 17 04:49:08 UTC 2007

On 17/06/07, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky <sentience at pobox.com> wrote:

No, that is not what I was attempting to say.  (Several people made
> this misinterpretation, but it should be obvious that I don't believe
> in telepathy or any other nonstandard causal interaction between
> separated copies.)  Having lots of copies in some futures may or may
> not affect the apparent probability of ending up in those futures.
> Does it?  In which future will you (almost certainly) find yourself?
> This is what I meant by "What does it feel like" - the most basic
> question of all science - what appears to you to happen, what sensory
> information do you receive, when you run the experiment?  All our
> other models of the universe are constructed from this.  I do not
> exult in this state of affairs, and I think it reflects a lack of
> understanding in my mind more than anything fundamental in reality
> itself - that is, I don't think sensory information really is
> primitive, or anything like that - but for the present it is the only
> way I can figure out how to describe rational reasoning.
> By "what does it feel like" I meant the most basic question of all
> science - what appears to happen when you run the experiment?  Do you
> feel that you've repeatedly won the lottery, or never won at all?
> Standing outside, I can say with certitude, "so many copies experience
> winning the lottery, and then merge; all other observers just see you
> losing the lottery".  And this sounds like a complete objective
> statement of what the universe is like.  But what do you experience?
> Does setting up this experiment make you win the lottery?  After you
> run the experiment, you'll know for yourself how reality works -
> you'll either have experienced winning the lottery several times in a
> row, or not - but no outside observers will know, so what could you
> have seen that they didn't?  What causal force touched you and not them?

This is exactly the point missed by those who would point to the uncontested
third person describable facts and say, "Paradox? What paradox?".

Stathis Papaioannou
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