[extropy-chat] Posthumanism vs. Transhumanism

[Brent Allsop]

Natasha,

This would be a great example that could demonstrate the power of the 
Canonizer.  Through a canonization process, everyone could propose and 
discover the facts and things everyone agreed on.  These could be wikied 
into the "agreement statement" on this contentious topic (i.e. anyone 
that objects to a particular piece of information means it must be put 
in some sub POV statement).  Then everyone could work to wiki the 
position statements in the appropriate tree structure below the 
agreement statement so that all POV camps and sub camps could be 
adequately represented.  Then everyone could "join" or support the 
position statements that most appropriately included their POV on this 
issue.

Once we saw all relevant support by all the relevant parties, for 
precisely what they believed on such an issue, we could quantitatively 
determine and specify with authority just what the correct and justified 
terminology is right?  If only us extropians started out joining camps, 
you could point out our authoritative reasons and beliefs to these 
academics, and if they disagree, they would be free to add their own POV 
so it can all be fairly represented.  If they refused to participate, 
then oh well, we win right?

I have a prototype of all the structured wiki functionality already 
running at http://test.canonizer.com.  And I bet I'll have the support 
system so people can "join" (or support or vote for) their camps before 
any position statements were fully developed.

Natasha, do you (or anyone else) have some type of beginning write up, 
even if only crude and incomplete, that specifies some of the facts and 
your POV that we could start with?  We could even start with what you've 
said on the issue here.

Brent Allsop



nvitamore at austin.rr.com wrote:
> While I was away at a conference there was some discussion about posthumans
> and posthumanism.  In my research in preparing my paper on BioArt, many of
> the theoreticians and curators I spoke with referred to the posthuman and
> discounted the transhuman (including isms).  I have known for some time
> that there is an academic dismissing of transhumanism and an embracing of
> posthumanism, in large part due to Kathryn Hayles book which does not cover
> transhumanism.  This book also does not mention Max's published article "On
> Becoming Posthuman" and also importantly Robert Peppernell who wrote "The
> Posthuman Condition."  I know that UK professors are annoyed at Hayles'
> borrowing ideas from Pepperell and not recognizing him.  
>
> Many of the reasons for this and I'd like to discuss it with you all in
> this thread. First I'd like to hear your thoughts if you have any.
>
> Thanks,
> Natasha
>
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