[ExI] pentagon wants orbiting solar power stations
hkhenson
hkhenson at rogers.com
Wed Oct 17 04:46:50 UTC 2007
At 07:21 PM 10/16/2007, Jeff Davis wrote:
>On 10/16/07, David Lubkin <extropy at unreasonable.com> wrote:
>
> > I am surprised that none of the tech rich who are putting
> > money in space are talking about asteroids. Maybe (he hoped) they're
> > working on it, but quietly.
>
>Or maybe they just don't think it's a reality-based project. To be
>tech rich might imply feet firmly on the ground.
It's the same exact problem space colonies/SPS had clear back in the
1970s. Human minds just stall out when the number of step to get to
a goal exceed some smallish number. That might be correct. When you
stack enough tasks in series, each one of which has a significant (or
unknown) chance of failing, the whole thing just gets to be impossible looking.
>Also, what kind of profitability are we talking about here? What kind
>of Stuff do you go after first?
One metric Eric Drexler used was the time for a machine to process
it's own weight in material. Vapor deposit metal boilers could
vaporize their own mass in iron in 8 hours. ~1000 times per year.
If you were processing a iron/nickel asteroid for 1 ppm gold with
such a plant, a tonne of processing plant would process 1000 tonnes
of asteroid a year--giving you a kg of gold for your trouble--which
at today's price is in the range of $24,000.
Of course you could also get 100 tonnes of nickel, which at $50,000
mt would be worth $5 million--if you could get it back to a market.
In both cases, space based production would probably break the market
from a few plants starting up and prices would fall to 1/1000 times
the present value.
At 2kg/kW and $0.10/ kWh, a tonne of SPS parts delivered to GEO will
return about $440 a year in electricity sales, with this income
stream perhaps falling to $50 per tonne per year over a decade or so.
>Surely it's got to be something more
>valuable that a hunk of iron/nickel. You know, something like gold,
>platinum, palladium, tungsten. With all that stuff broken up into
>chunks, what exactly would be considered "the motherload"?
There are lots of things to make money on, but I expect that the
demand for such materials will dry up about the time the plants come on line.
Keith Henson
PS. You probably want to use the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mond_process, to process nickel/iron asteroids.
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