[ExI] I don't understand students: help !

Natasha Vita-More natasha at natasha.cc
Wed Dec 17 18:21:52 UTC 2008

Have you ever watched a TV show called "Bad Girls Club" (or something like
that).  The girls self-promote themselves to higher and higher status for
the number of acts accomplished that defy established social codes (like
cheating, physically abusing, lying, stealing, etc.)  While the show is
designed to look sexy and appeal to a girl's inner beast, it does claim to
have some moral caveat "Will living together help them move forward and turn
their lives around -- or will chaos rule?"    But this type of arrogant and
feisty behavioral signage is not new, social moms and dads have left an
indelible mark on their children's brains to behave badly.
I haven't taught school in a number of years, but were the student mine, I
would follow LaTorra suggest and move on it quickly.

Nlogo1.tif  <http://www.natasha.cc/> Natasha Vita-More



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[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of giovanni
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:49 PM
To: ExI chat list
Subject: [ExI] I don't understand students: help !

What is happening with students ??
I passed this girl with a C in an Astronomy for non-science majors class.
She calls me on my cell, demanding a B, saying she will go to the Dean if
not satisfied.
She struggled all the semester and she is barely literate. She had problems
in understanding 1.6 *10 =16. Seriously.
I was trying to be nice and I passed her with a decent grade. 
When I went back and I looked more carefully at her assignment I discovered
that on 119 lines of her final paper worth 15 % of her grade 115 lines were
copied from the internet word by word.
The other 4 didn't make sense and they were full of grammatical errors.
She did quote 105 lines but the remaining 14, that she claimed to be her own
(how somebody can think to write a paper with about 10 % being their "own
work "is another wonder of the Universe) are also word by word  copied but
not quoted.
She is fighting with me claiming I never mentioned they could not paste and
copy to do their semester project and that she didn't do anything wrong. She
want to go and debate this with my superiors.
What is going on in the minds of these students?
She is not the only one with this sense of the entitlement and reckless

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Damien Broderick <thespike at satx.rr.com> wrote:

From: Damien Broderick <thespike at satx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] FakeAlert and Virtumonde
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:05 PM

At 11:40 PM 12/16/2008 +0000, BillK wrote:

> <http://www.malwarebytes.org/>

I downloaded this one, ran it, and damn if it didn't find the filthy pests

and crush them like the bugs they are. Interestingly, once it said my PC was

clean, I found that Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool opened up, and

reported also that I was clean as a whistle. Not sure I believe any of them

entirely, but for now I seem good to go. Thank you for this excellent


Damien Broderick 

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