[ExI] plain text subject lines was longevity-dividend- extropy-chat Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3

Jim Stevenson jims at eos.arc.nasa.gov
Mon Jul 28 16:56:58 UTC 2008


Hi.

What are all those strange characters starting with =?

They seem to clutter up posts with mime attached html.
They are generated by Winblow$ and its email programs,
and unix can not decode them.

I would much appreciate a copy of this post 
without the strange chars starting with =?

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To iliminate those strange = chars,
Please answer in plain text, not mime attached html.

Thanks much again as always.
Jim

Please forgive if you really want to attach html 
and are using its features.

Do you know that you are posting in mime attached duplicate html?
Can you please explain why the mime attached html?
If so, may I please ask  which mail program is creating these html attachments, 
under which OS, and why?
I am absolutely certain that it is not my mail program, or anything on my end,
though your mail program may hide them from you.
This is why others may not have pointed out the mime attached html problem.

Your mime attached html post, which I have appended,
is exactly what I received.

Are you using html to display anything other than plain text?
Unless you really are using the html features,
the defaults should be set to both post and answer in plain text,
or uuencode, if plain text is not an option.
your answer mode should also be set to
answer in plain text, or answer in uuencode,
not to answer in kind.

I am most concerned about viruses in unintended attachments.

If you must quote me, please put your comments first.
I have already listened to mine.

I read email with speech,
So it is not possible to scroll past the html and quotes 
without listening to them again,
and the mime code after the header is not speech friendly.
to quickly get to the new information.
The mime attached html is far from speech friendly!

--

Thanks much again as always.


What was the original subject of this post?

Do you know of any way to filter email by subject when the usual subject line
contains only a digest number?

This is why it helps those of us who need to sort email at work,
to use the original subject line,
as long as it remains relevant,
instead of the digest number, which tells little.
Using digest as a subject kills my ability to sort and read by subject!

--

If you must quote me, please put your comments first.
I have already listened to mine.

I read email with speech.
So it is not possible to scroll past the quotes without listening to them again,
to quickly get to the new information.


Thanks much again as always.


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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Software advice please (Giu1i0 Pri5c0)
  2. ExtroBritannia's June event: Technology risks and the
     survival of humanity (estropico)
  3. Thoughtware.TV: Technological Memes (Andres Colon)
  4. Technology advances replicators (Keith Henson)
  5. Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings (scerir)
  6. The New Milky Way (Damien Broderick)
  7.  Air-powered cars (artillo at comcast.net)
  8. dark matter (and -- shhhh! -- the F**** p-dox) (Jeff Davis)
  9. Cruisin' New Horizons (Amara Graps)
 10. Re: Air-powered cars (spike)
 11. Re: Air-powered cars (Keith Henson)
 12. Re: Cruisin' New Horizons (Kevin H)
 13. Re: Air-powered cars (Kevin H)
 14. Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions of the
     Future - Second Life, June 4, 5 (Giu1i0 Pri5c0)
 15. longevity dividend course OP-ED assignment 01 (Morris Johnson)
 16. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 02 (Morris Johnson)
 17. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 03 (Morris Johnson)
 18. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 04 (Morris Johnson)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:15:36 +0200
From: "Giu1i0 Pri5c0" <pgptag at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Software advice please
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Kevin Freels <kevinfreels at insightbb.com>
wrote:

>
> You may want to also look into building a Joomla website and use a forum
> module. There's a steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it,
> it's a nice way to be able to manage content. Best of all, it's free and
> open source. www.joomla.org

Joomla is nice and reasonably easy to install and use. I still prefer
Expression Engine, it comes with blogging and forum modules and many
other things. Mediawiki is also easy to install and use.

G.


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:56:47 +0100
From: estropico <estropico at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] ExtroBritannia's June event: Technology risks and the
       survival of humanity
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Technology risks and the survival of humanity: Is emerging technology
more likely to destroy human civilisation or to radically enhance it?

The next ExtroBritannia event is scheduled for Saturday the 14th of
June 2008, 2pm-4pm. Venue: Room 539 (fifth floor), Birkbeck College,
Torrington Square, London WC1E 7HX. The event is free and everyone's
welcome.

This meeting previews and summarises some of the discussions that will
be taking place in July at the (four day long) conference "Global
Catastrophic Risks" that will be taking place in Oxford in July
(http://www.global-catastrophic-risks.com/)

This is arguably the single most important topic that can ever be discussed!

Risks worthy of review include:

*) Runaway greenhouse effects and other drastic climate change - vs
possible geo-engineering solutions and new, cleaner, sources of energy
*) Nuclear wars provoked by catastrophic nuclear terrorism
*) Supervolcanoes - potentially tamed by future super-strong nanomaterials
*) A global pandemic of some horrible new disease
*) Hazards from comets and asteroids
*) The emergence of malevolent super-AI - vs the chance that super-AI
will allow us to find better solutions to our existential risks

Speakers who will lead the discussion include:

Julian Snape - looking at technology risks and solutions from the
point of view of both nanotechnology and possible collisions from NEOs
(Near Earth Objects - comets and asteroids)

John Dinsdale - looking at technology risks and solutions around
Global Warming, Peak Energy (fossil fuel,nuclear) and EROEI (energy
return on energy invested)

Join the debate!

Venue:

Birkbeck College - Room 539, 5th floor, Main Building, Torrington
Square (which is a pedestrian-only square), London WC1E 7HX ? MAP:
http://www.bbk.ac.uk/maps

The nearest tube station is Russell Square. Come out of the tube
station and turn left, to walk west along Bernard St. Cross over
Herbrand St then Woburn Place and keep walking westwards, on the north
side of the square. Cross Bedford Way, and turn right into Thornhaugh
St, then immediately left to enter Torrington Square through the
pedestrian-only courtyard outside SOAS (the School of Oriental and
African Studies). Veer right and you'll see the main entrance to
Birkbeck College on the left as you walk up Torrington Square. Take
the lift to the 5th floor and follow the signs to room 539.

Discussion is likely to continue after the event in a nearby pub, for
those who are able to stay. There's also the option of joining some of
the UKTA regulars for drinks/lunch beforehand, starting c. 12.30, in
"The Friend At Hand" pub which is situated behind Russell Square tube
station on Herbrand Street. If it's your first ExtroBritannia look out
for a copy of Ending Aging on display on our table.

Keep an eye on our mailing list and blog for updates:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extrobritannia/
http://extrobritannia.blogspot.com/

Cheers,
Fabio


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:03:19 -0400
From: "Andres Colon" <andres at thoughtware.tv>
Subject: [ExI] Thoughtware.TV: Technological Memes
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I have to recommend you to watch this talk by Susan Blackmore, on the
subject of Memes and "temes".
http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/2191

"Psychologist/memeticist Susan Blackmore proposes that there's a new layer
of "selfish", evolving replicators in the making: just like cognitive
replicators (memes) came into existence at some point during genetic
evolution, relying on the genetic layer for their continued
existence/replication but also controlling it to a certain degree, now
'temes' (technological replicators) are emerging as a product of
genetic-memetic evolution, to rely on both genes and memes for their
survival/replication, while becoming more and more able to also exert
control over both these layers."

This kind contribution was added by Donjoe, community member at
Thoughtware.TV

Andres,
President of Thoughtware.TV
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:27:44 -0700
From: "Keith Henson" <hkeithhenson at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] Technology advances replicators
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http://www.nanowerk.com/news/newsid=5935.php
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Posted: June 3, 2008

Prototype of machine that copies itself goes on show
(*Nanowerk News*)

Granted, this is not nanotechnology yet, but quite an interesting
development nevertheless: A University of Bath academic, who oversees a
global effort to develop an open-source machine that 'prints'
three-dimensional objects, is celebrating after the prototype machine
succeeded in making a set of its own printed parts. The machine, named
RepRap <http://reprap.org/>, will be exhibited publicly at the Cheltenham
Science Festival (June 4-8, 2008).

RepRap is short for replicating rapid-prototyper; it employs a technique
called 'additive fabrication'. The machine works a bit like a printer,
but, rather than squirting ink onto paper, it puts down thin layers of
molten plastic which solidify. These layers are built up to make useful 3D
objects.  [image: RepRap]

RepRap has, so far, been capable of making everyday plastic goods such as
door handles,sandals and coat hooks. Now, the machine has also succeeded
in copying all its own 3D-printed parts.   These parts have been printed
and assembled by RepRap team member, Vik Olliver, in Auckland, New
Zealand, into a new RepRap machine that can replicate the same set of
parts for yet another RepRap machine and so on ad infinitum. While 3D
printers have been available commercially for about 25 years, RepRap is
the first that can essentially print itself.

The RepRap research and development project was conceived, and is
directed, by Dr Adrian Bowyer, a senior lecturer in engineering in the
Faculty of Engineering & Design at the University of Bath, UK.   Dr Bowyer
said that: "These days, most people in the developed world run a
professional-quality print works, photographic lab and CD-pressing plant
in their own house, all courtesy of their home PC. Why shouldn't they also
run their own desktop factory capable of making many of the things they
presently buy in shops, too?

"The possibilities are endless. Now, people can make exactly what they
want. If the design of an existing object does not quite suit their needs,
they can easily redesign it on their PC and print that out, instead of
making do with a mass-produced second-best design from the shops. They can
also print out extra RepRap printers to give to their friends. Then those
friends can make what they want too."   R

ecently, Chris DiBona, Open Source Programs Manager at Google Inc,
encouraged people to: "Think of RepRap as a China on your desktop."

Sir James Dyson, Chief Executive of the Dyson Group, said: "RepRap is a
different, revolutionary way of approaching invention. It could allow
people to change the ergonomics of a design to their own specific needs."
 Dr Bowyer hopes people will come to the Cheltenham Science Festival and
see both the 'parent' and the 'child' RepRap machines in action for the
first time together.

"RepRap is the most enjoyable research project I've ever run," he said.
"Without the many talented and selfless volunteers the RepRap project has
all round the world, it would have never succeeded so quickly."

Complete plans for the prototype RepRap 3D printer and detailed tutorials
to aid motivated amateurs (and professionals) in assembling one are
available, free-of-charge, at the RepRap website (details below). The
materials, plus the minority of parts that the machine cannot print, cost
about ?300. All those non-printed parts can be bought at hardware shops or
from online stores.

Dr Bowyer and several of the other Reprap team members will be available
to answer questions and exhibit the parent and child RepRap printers in
operation at the Cheltenham Science Festival from June 4-8, 2008.

Source: *University of Bath*


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:18:09 +0200
From: "scerir" <scerir at libero.it>
Subject: Re: [ExI] [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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Cold fusion seems to be a real "effect".
But the question is: whatever the
(unknown) reaction [1], is there a measurable
*excess* energy? To my knowledge [2], this
measurement (heat, radiation, etc.)
isn't easy at all.


[1] There is a number of previously unknown
reactions, in that field, in example see:
http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/865-2.html

[2] Somebody pointed out the same thing here
(scroll down) if I remember well
http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:55:58 -0500
From: Damien Broderick <thespike at satx.rr.com>
Subject: [ExI] The New Milky Way
To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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from the blog of Adam Crowl, astronomer:

<http://crowlspace.com/?p=133>The New Milky Way

June 4th, 2008

The latest view of our Galaxy, the Milky Way, can
be found at the Spitzer Infra-Red Space Telescope?s newspages here?

<
http://gallery.spitzer.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2008-10b
>The
New Galaxy

?seems we?re now officially a few galactic arms
short - two arms based on old hydrogen-based maps
aren?t evidenced by actual star-counts and thus
were an artefact of the limitations of
hydrogen-based radio astronomy. The Galaxy is
still a BIG place, but it looks more like a
pretty barred spiral galaxy than a relatively
dull ?grand-design? flocculent spiral like it did in the old maps.

But why are spiral arms the way they are? It?s a
puzzle, but one astrophysicists have no end of
good ideas about - and then along come some new surprises, like this one?

<http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080602-aas-blackhole-mass.html>Black
Hole Mass determines tightness of the Spiral

?seems the heftier the central Black Hole, the
tighter the spiral arms. In our Local Group there
are three big Spirals - ours, M31 (in Andromeda)
and M33 (in Triangulum) - and the central Black
Hole masses 4 million Solar masses (for the Milky
Way), 180 million for M31, and just 1,500 for
M33. M33 is a pretty loose spiral, though pretty.
Andromeda?s M31 is tightly wound, from what we
can see as M31 is tilted away from us. SO the
Milky Way is somewhere between the two.

But why the correlation? Dark Matter? Weird
gravity lanes? Something in hyperspace? Who
knows? And that?s why astronomy is both fun and worth doing?



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:10:50 +0000
From: artillo at comcast.net
Subject: [ExI]  Air-powered cars
To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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Strangely enough, this is the first I've heard of this:

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/

what a shame we in the USA have to wait for such a thing to come around.
Seems like a really simple idea, maybe I'll build one myself LOL


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:21:13 -0700
From: "Jeff Davis" <jrd1415 at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] dark matter (and -- shhhh! -- the F**** p-dox)
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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Here's the deal.

The talk about dark matter uses terms like "non-baryonic", and
otherwise asserts that dark matter is distinctly different from
regular matter.  But I have yet to find any evidence for the
it-ain't-regular-matter presumption.  The entire case, as far as I
have been able to determine, comes from the fact that the "matter" in
question is "dark".  That, unlike "regular" matter, it can't be seen;
that it doesn't emit any light or other EM; that it doesn't do what
"regular" matter does, ie form cosmic dust clouds, stars, planets,
galaxies, etc.  The only actual, substantive, tangible thing that it
does -- and which is the totality of evidence (that I have been able
to find) establishing it's existence -- is its gravitational effect.
And as far as I can tell, this is just, well.., you know, "regular"
gravity.  Not some special sort of dark matter gravity.

So what's up?  Did I miss something?  Do any of youse guys know
something more about this "dark stuff" -- other than that its dark?
Something that would rise to the level of actual evidence that "dark
matter" is not just regular matter that is well, you know,... dark?

[Shhhhhh.  Avert you eye's.  Scroll past this next bit real quick
like.  Don't read it.  And don't say anything if you do.]

In discussions of the Fermi paradox Eugen L and John Clark have
forcefully taken the position that if technologically adept
space-faring civilizations were abundant in the universe, then at
least one would have invented Von Neuman probes, and that we would
"see"  evidence in the form of cosmic engineering.  At the same time
Robert B., in related discussions re cosmic engineering, ie
computronium-mediated matrioshka brains, Dyson spheres, etc, has made
the point that, for most efficient energy use, a prime location for
such structures would be in the darkness between stars.  There, the
outermost of the nested shells --each shell harvests the "waste"
energy radiated from the inner adjacent shell -- that last, outermost
shell dumps its waste heat into the cosmos at a temperature as close
as feasible to the cosmic background radiation.  Wouldn't such
engineered structures, so located, be exceedingly dark?  So is it
utterly unreasonable to point to the so-called "dark matter",
currently calculated to comprise 85-90 percent of the mass of the
universe, and say, "There's your engineered universe, guys.  Complete
with 10-15 percent "green" space."?

I don't know.  My pre-singularity chimpy brain can't figure it out.  I
even put on  a snazzy white lab coat and stood near an array of
brushed-aluminum-fronted lab instruments with digital displays that
made little beeping sounds, but it didn't help.

Enhance me, please.

Best, Jeff Davis

    Aspiring Transhuman / Delusional Ape
          (Take your pick)
                Nicq MacDonald


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:43:58 -0600
From: Amara Graps <amara at amara.com>
Subject: [ExI] Cruisin' New Horizons
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In two days, New Horizons passes the orbit of Saturn (~10 AU). As you
might recall, it was only the end of February 2007 (that's right, _last_
year), that it passed Jupiter (~5 AU). It's zippin' at 65,803 km/h. Only
the two tiny Helios spacecraft (mid-70s 250,000 km/h) breaks the record
as the fastest manmade objects ever flown.

See the data for New Horizon's trajectory here:
http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/

Just 2594 days and 17 minutes to Pluto! ;-)

Amara

--

Amara Graps, PhD      www.amara.com
Research Scientist, Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), Boulder, Colorado


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:01:53 -0700
From: "spike" <spike66 at att.net>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars
To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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> ... On Behalf Of artillo at comcast.net

> Strangely enough, this is the first I've heard of this:
>
> http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/
>
> what a shame we in the USA have to wait for such a thing to
> come around.
> Seems like a really simple idea, maybe I'll build one myself
> LOL

Do the calcs first Artillo.  They say a little more than one horsepower,
then make the absurd claim of 70 mph for 120 miles.  I can *guarantee you*
those numbers are wrong.  Perhaps they dropped a decimal point twice: I
would believe a top speed of 7 miles per hour for 12 miles.

Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always
comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.

spike





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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:22:46 -0700
From: "Keith Henson" <hkeithhenson at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars
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On 6/5/08, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

snip
>
> Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always
> comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.

Indeed.

So what do we need for carbon neutral synthetic gasoline?

At a recent conference a guy had worked out the numbers to suck carbon
dioxide out of the air and combine it with hydrogen in a reverse
combustion industrial operation.

He got 79kWh/gallon.  I have confidence in that number because the
energy in a gallon of gasoline is about 38 kWh and this number is
close to twice that.

So if you want gasoline for about a dollar a gallon, you can do it on
a megascale if you can get massive power in the penny or sub penny per
kWh.

If you assume 2kg/kW power sats and work the numbers backwards from
penny a kWh, you can afford about $75/kg for the lift cost to GEO.
That's easy with a space elevator, which takes about 15 cents of
electricity and (if it cost $100 billion) a capital charge of
$12.50/kg for an 800,000 ton per year delivery model.

Reuseable heavy lift launch vehicles will do that for an incremental
cost of about $300 a kg split between $1.5 billion for the rocket and
$1.5 billion for operations.  In 100 flights, a single rocket
delievers 10,000 tons to GEO.  ($3 billion/0.01 B kg)

I have a proposal out to reduce this cost to at least 1/3 and perhaps
1/6.  I don't want to make it public just yet, but if you feel up to
checking assumptions and my math, ask and I will send you a copy.

Keith Henson


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:59:27 -0700
From: "Kevin H" <kevin.l.holmes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Cruisin' New Horizons
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Amara Graps <amara at amara.com> wrote:

>
> In two days, New Horizons passes the orbit of Saturn (~10 AU). As you
> might recall, it was only the end of February 2007 (that's right, _last_
> year), that it passed Jupiter (~5 AU). It's zippin' at 65,803 km/h. Only
> the two tiny Helios spacecraft (mid-70s 250,000 km/h) breaks the record
> as the fastest manmade objects ever flown.
>
> See the data for New Horizon's trajectory here:
> http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/
>
> Just 2594 days and 17 minutes to Pluto! ;-)
>
> Amara


Cool site, Amara.  I used to track New Horizons on the NASA page (
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/whereis_nh.php) but then I got out of the
habit for some reason.  But, I definitely think it is a cool program and at
last we'll see the last former planet up close, and I won't even have to
wait until I'm thawed out from my cryogenic slumber :)

Kevin
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:23:41 -0700
From: "Kevin H" <kevin.l.holmes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/5/08, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always
> > comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.
>
> Indeed.
>
> So what do we need for carbon neutral synthetic gasoline?
>
> At a recent conference a guy had worked out the numbers to suck carbon
> dioxide out of the air and combine it with hydrogen in a reverse
> combustion industrial operation.


That's an interesting idea, but how exactly is this done?

But I agree with the premise: gasoline is far more energy dense than
electric batteries will ever be.  This really hit home when I was reading
about the proposed specs of the upcoming Chevrolet Volt.  It's 16 kWh
battery, when fully charged, gives it a 40 mile range.  But it has a
gasoline "range extender" that does nothing but recharge the battery,
attaining a range of 640 miles.

It's an excellent step, I think, which is what is going to be needed in an
energy-scarce world, so that people can choose which way they want to fuel
their cars based on existing prices.  Right now, electricity is cheaper than
gasoline per mile, but with a large number of electric vehicles on the road
the price of electricity might go up.  Ah well, no such thing as a free
lunch.

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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:18:07 +0200
From: "Giu1i0 Pri5c0" <pgptag at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions
       of the  Future - Second Life, June 4, 5
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>,   "World
       Transhumanist Association Discussion List"
       <wta-talk at transhumanism.org>, universalimmortalism at yahoogroups.com,
       sl-transhumanists at googlegroups.com, Hplus2 at yahoogroups.com,
       transumanisti at yahoogroups.com, extrobritannia at yahoogroups.com,
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Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions of the Future -
Second Life, June 4, 5
http://transumanar.com/index.php/site/conference_report_the_future_of_religions_religions_of_the_future_second_li/

Full text of my talk with SL chatlog
http://transumanar.com/index.php/site/my_talk_at_the_conference_the_future_of_religions_religions_of_the_future/


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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:19:22 -0700
From: "Morris Johnson" <mfj.eav at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] longevity dividend course OP-ED assignment 01
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LIVING HEALTHIER AND LONGER


Hey Kids , are you ready for anti-aging / regenerative medicine?
"Get real Dad, be serious, act your age, get over your midlife crisis ,
there is no such as anti-aging medicine , you are going to die sooner than
you think so quit wasting your time and focus on making your last years as
comfortable as possible" has been a typical response.
I respond "ANTI-AGING MEDICINE really exists and the market for doctors who
open anti-aging medical spas is currently 50 billion dollars per year with
each patient worth 4-20,000 dollars per year in products and services. "
Recent episodes of "60 minutes, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report and a
Barbara Walters ABC Special on longevity" report that a certain Dr. Aubrey
DeGrey is to this new frontier what David Suzuki and Al Gore are to
environmentalism.
The "Inconvenient Truth" is that the super wealthy are already the first
customers, the investors and the owners and promoters of this entirely new
form of medicine.  Billions of real money are already committed to
commercial products under development.
What we are talking about is a medicine not just designed to rescue you from
cancer, heart disease or degenerative conditions after they are diagnosed
but a whole new system of medical care designed to prevent disease years or
even decades before it might happen.
Not everyone is convinced that even the garden variety anti-aging ideas are
safe. Some recent headlines read.. "Antioxidant Vitamin E supplements may be
deadly" and "Don't bank on anti-aging pills anytime soon - unless you're a
worm"
Some feel we have no business even poking around and tinkering with mother
nature's secrets.  Potential therapies have had a rough start here in the
west but have taken root elsewhere.  When stem cell technologies were banned
in western countries, Chinese students just packed up their lap-tops and
headed home to apply this new knowledge to a more receptive audience.  This
is how a cancer treatment called Gendicine originated.  We in North America
have a regulatory system that does not allow individual risk takers to move
so rapidly to commercialize new medical technology.  If computers and
software had been regulated like medicine we would still be using Commadore
64's and playing Pong. Unwillingness to take risks drastically reduces the
possibility of benefit.
According to Dr. S. Jay Olshansky of the University of Illinois a "longevity
dividend" of lower health care costs, increased savings and worker
productivity would result from a modest deceleration in the rate of aging by
about seven years, and adequate funding could produce "dramatic advances in
preventive medicine and public health within the next few decades."
I am Morris Johnson . At age 52 , after spending 35 years reading scientific
medical research journals I do not just follow fads .  I am neither an
uncritical enthusiast nor an uninformed skeptic.  I personally venture out
within the bounds of my personal means to use the best science the world has
to offer in attempt to catch and surf the longevity wave and secure for
myself a personal longevity dividend.  I have designed and do follow my own
personalized healthy lifespan management program.

Is the science real or bogus.  As I write this I have just begun a 10 week
course to study this thing called the "longevity Dividend".  Tomorrow I will
attend a conference entitled "Improving Human Health 2 ? Metabolic
Syndrome".  Let me be your guide to take the mystery out of the term
"Longevity Dividend" and lets explore together the promises and risks for
not just baby boomers and their children but society as a whole. For
example, how might longer healthier lives affect the economics of pensions,
jobs and family relationships and medical care Systems.

This 10 part series will bring you my findings , pose questions and perhaps
add an opinion or two, if space permits.
You may send your feedback "attention Pharmer Mo" at
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:21:58 -0700
From: "Morris Johnson" <mfj.eav at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 02
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02-Healthy Demographics



To accept "groundhog day" and succumb to death at the statistically
predicted  age of  85 or to defy statistics to keep motoring on , that is
the question; whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows
of social persecution for daring to hope to be able to flaunt  youthful
beauty at 113?.or by taking up arms against aging to transform it into
"steady-state self-directed long-term self-improvement project".



"Holy purple shades of Hamlet's ghost Dad" respond my kids.  "Are you going
to make us listen to the statistics and demographics of how all you baby
boomers with your funky old man diseases want to flush away your 53 trillion
or so dollars of pension fund money and enslave our kids  to satisfy  your
vain attempt to perpetuate your denial of the inevitability of your certain
and timely  death?  "



"Yes",  I respond "this  family conference is about the demographics of
aging".  WE ARE THE GENERATION OF OLD PEOPLE WHO WILL RULE THE 21ST CENTURY,
according to Ken Dychtwald Ph.D. in AGE POWER.   We have a responsibility to
learn how to use our power wisely!



Once we  lived in fear of global starvation from uncontrollable population
growth.  Now China, Europe, Eastern Europe and Australia are all racing
towards zero population growth as they  reduce  infant mortality, infectious
disease and use  planned parenthood. People only reduce family size after
the threat of  disease , malnutrition and racial conflict  diminishes.



A new challenge to a healthy lifespan,  Metabolic Syndrome, has become an
epidemic with over 25% of North Americans affected.  "Improving Human
Health-08" presenters define it as systemic insulin resistance resulting
from  a combination of (even modest ) obesity ("toxic waist ") , chronic
silent inflammation, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, and impaired
glucose tolerance.  Good genes or regular physical activity can mask it but
diabetes, atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease, stroke and cancer are
 its
ultimate  consequences.  High risk groups include aboriginals whose genetics
were never designed to cope with the rapidly digested carbohydrates of a
supersized  "McDiet".  Metabolic syndrome develops most rapidly in
people   with
depression, lack of self asteem, or a feeling of lack of control over
personal circumstances.  Young adults whose lifestyle also  includes
smoking, drinking, risky recreational drug combinations ,  a poor quality
diet, and sedentary lives  may be the first generation since 1850  to
reverse the trend towards increased  longevity.  Researchers suggest the
"Mediterranean food pyramid", regular exercise, low glycemic index (slowly
digestible) carbohydrates and certain foods and nutritional supplements  as
countermeasures (
http://www.machineslikeus.com/cms/news/the-secret-long-life-may-not-be-genes
).
What really drives healthy longevity gains is education and disposable
income in that order.  Educated affluent boomers seek out solutions without
regard to cost while a disproportionate number of  the lower socioeconomic
groups , unsure of a solution do nothing .  Ironically, those with less
ability to buy into the new health technologies are also destined to have to
remain healthy enough to become the caregiver population for the affluent
boomers.



Statistics show we are living longer at the average rate of 2.5 years every
decade and this longevity gain is accelerating despite  the growing gap
between  subpopulations.  The gap between Healthspan (healthy vibrant
productive lifespan) and total lifespan will replace  poverty  as the
scourge of the 21st century (http://www.alternet.org/story/84396/).  We must
remain healthy, active and part of society and like the "one hoss shea"
only  fall apart  the very instant before death.  Failure to do this means
physically and mentally frail  elderly boomers will be 35-70%  of the
population in 2050.  This will be an absolutely intolerable  "dependency
ratio" for the young to bear.







Suppose if you will, that problem and solution to this "historically
insoluble enigma" are one and the same.  Pensioners and pension fund owners
have 53 trillion reasons to replace palliative medicine with regenerative
medicine.  A world that can spend trillions on old-fashioned wars can just
as easily spend trillions in a "War against Aging".  Imagine if a war on
premature death could produce extended longevity.   Just as the computers of
2008 would have been magic in 1908, the medicine of 2108 after the  "War
against Aging" has nearly  a century under its belt  may be nothing short of
a magic show.  Can we "bootstrap it" with what we know today well enough to
make it to that show regenerated instead of frail.  Every war has to have a
"flashpoint" to start.  Fortunately, a "War for Healthy Longevity" can
ignite from any of 7 scientifically accepted Pandora's "tinder" boxes.



In part 3 I will detail what we think we know that can be used to make our
healthspan equal to our lifespan.  You may send your feedback attention
"Pharmer Mo" at extropian.pharmer at gmail.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:23:59 -0700
From: "Morris Johnson" <mfj.eav at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 03
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03-Healthy  Biology



All living things  have metabolism, metabolism continually causes damage ,
damage eventually causes pathology , pathology is disease, and leads to
 aging
then death.  Mother nature made biology so complicated  so every generation
would have no choice but to grow up, reproduce, nurture offspring and then
get dead as fast as possible to make room for the next go round.



"You know what dad, We think there's hope for you yet.  Let's see you weasel
out of this one".

"To do justice to the topic this time, the kids are going to see dad sweat ,
by golly", says I.



Metabolism is the incredibly complex network of molecular and cellular
processes that keep us alive. Gerontologists study metabolism. Pathology is
the network of molecular processes that kill us. Geriatricians study disease
pathology.  A whole  new breed of anti-aging specialists study and treat
 the
missing link, damage.   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23358964/   documents
how some  simple regenerative measures are now part of integrative
(combining of all possible options into a carefully planned package)
medicine.



You can turn an old car into a vintage classic car by assessing the
condition then systematically repairing the old damage , then continue
watching  for new damage and fix  that too.  Why can't you do the same with
people?  That's the "engineering approach" proposed by Dr Aubrey de Grey,
founder of the Methusalah Foundation., Cambridge , UK.  He has raised 10
million dollars of funding in the last 2 years and awards funding for
research towards creating a replicatable animal model,  the Rejuvenated
Robust "Methusalah" Mouse (MM).  Simply put take a mouse as old as a 55 year
old human (in mouse years) and give it  3 times its remaining life
expectancy , all in good health..  If you use these same age retarding
techniques on people you should  halve the rate of damage and  add 30 extra
healthy years to the 30 expected for a 55 year old and raise total
healthspan by 20% overall.



Aubrey sees damage repair as the critical control points that reduce the
metabolic hazards to an acceptable level and manage the risk of diminished
quality of the finished product, lifespan..  Aubrey has segmented the damage
into 7 categories: junk inside cells, junk outside cells, too few cells, too
many cells, chromosome mutations, mitochondria (energy producing
intracellular organelles) mutations and protein crosslinks.  For each
category there is a proposed repair strategy.  The sum of these strategies
is termed "engineered negligible senescence" (SENS)[
http://richardjschueler.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56847  ] .  Later in
this series I will discuss the safety and efficacy of specific current
therapies as they relate to the "seven deadly sins of  metabolism".   These
interventions are at various stages of research, development and clinical
and  every day commercial  application.  Aubrey states that you don't have
to repair all the damage at once.  If you start at the "biological age" of
55 and select the most critical  areas and fix  HALF THE DAMAGE  you should
double the total healthspan and raise the remaining healthspan  5 times.
 The
goal for a commercial regenerative medicine industry would be to reduce the
remaining damage each time therapy is undertaken and implement increasingly
more effective repair.  Eventually repair happens faster than new damage
occurs.























FYI-Watch the  BBC TV series " How to Build a Human 4of4 - Forever Young (60
minutes)  1/6  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ZAhdSidzk

2/6   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necHabLN37Q

3/6  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cAIPTPIL7A

4/6   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqoT1oCEBI

5/6  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObrLpV8ric

6/6  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkf23Nn9qX0



Aubrey has coined the term "Longevity Escape Velocity" as the rate at which
rejuvenation therapies must improve in order to hope to outpace the
accumulation of damage they cannot currently fully repair.

Compare this to manned flight, an insoluble problem since the dawn of
civilization until 1903.  Once the  Wright Brothers made the first proven
flight, everything was copied and improved upon  until today we can fly just
about anything anywhere.  For a sneak peek into the future see :
http://transcurve.net/blog/aaron/10-reasons-you-will-live-to-1000.


My next piece will detail the issues surrounding the bioethics debate about
purposefully increasing healthy longevity.  You may send your feedback
attention "Pharmer Mo" at extropian.pharmer at gmail.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:25:18 -0700
From: "Morris Johnson" <mfj.eav at gmail.com>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 04
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04-Healthy Ethics



"Trust me we know what's good for you dad and we'll always do the (ethical)
right thing".

I know you mean well, but if what you deem ethical and right for me is
blocked by legislation or regulation; will you let me die?  The Readers"
Digest thesaurus of synonyms calls moral, decent, virtuous, upright, proper,
fitting, correct, just, fair, aboveboard and kosher "ethical" and
underhanded, shady, improper, unfair, lowdown, nefarious, unbecoming,
unseemly, indecorous, immoral and indecent "unethical. "



Ethics are not fixed and can be skewed by "moral hazard", the punishment we
get or cause for doing good deeds.    Moral hazard occurs when there are
more beneficiaries to death than life.   The value of a "Quality Adjusted
Life Year" (QALY)[mathematically derived value of a year of perfect health]
for a patient determines if an HMO or public payor will contribute and how
much towards a medical good or service.  For example a simple vaccination
for HPV when allowed under medicare can have a $100,000 /QALY value if it is
deemed that the population based average risk of death  from cervical cancer
is too low.  Then a "sensitivity analysis" can be  done and criteria which
modify the accessibility are developed so that the adjusted QALY value  is
reduced to an acceptable number, usually less than $50,000/QALY saved.



Ethics of institutionalized Ageism is demonstrated thusly: If a youth dies
it's a loss of potentially productive life ; If a frail elderly person dies
it's a blessing to see them free of pain and suffering.  "Living Wills" are
spun to be a way for the frail or terminally ill to relieve health care
providers of the need for heroic or long term end of life palliative
measures.  The moral hazard is that the last year of life is extraordinarily
expensive.  The payor saves by being able to redistribute the savings to
other covered services or shareholders.  In 2008 in Saskatchewan when 43.7%
of every tax dollar went to healthcare, the average cost of all the health
care goods and services was $4,360 per person.  Saving $5-30,000 by socially
accepted forms of  passive euthanasia VS allowing expensive experimental,
risky heroic long shot measures which may provide insights into how to
better treat the next person show how ethics and moral hazard can collide as
an ethical conundrum.  Canada's "progressive licencing" for new
pharmaceuticals is a step towards managing this hazard.

( http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-rele
ase-trial-drugs-to-patients.html<http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html>
<
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html
>
).



Our culture does not allow "honor killing" within families or maintaining a
one child policy and selecting for that child to be a son by killing newborn
girl babies however, a Seattle Washington man ,Timothy Garon, who used State
Law approved medical marijuana to ease his pain from advanced hepatitis was
knocked him off the elegibility list for a liver transplant and left to die
recently.



Some say taxpayer paid universal medicare creates an incentive to act
irresponsibly because the safety net will catch you.  Cost shared coverage
of preventative care should yield savings over the total life-cycle of a
patient.  http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001479.php  briefly considers
 the
economic costs Vs benefits of the longevity dividend



Let me set out some of the common arguments against enhancing adult
longevity as set down by George Dvorsky in his presentation to the "securing
the Longevity Dividend" meeting.  George states that critics contend that
death has value by giving meaning to life, providing for the need for
morality, allowing for self-sacrifice, preventing excessive risk aversion,
making beauty exist and providing a vital imperfection. Some  say that it
would be cost prohibitive, people would have unequal access and that
distribution would be unfair. Some say the motivations are questionable, are
of no known social good, produce anti-social behavior, there are more
pressing concerns for society to deal with (global security and geopolitical
gamesmanship) and that individual actions are against the collective best
interest (http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/anissimov20080513/ ).



The wealthiest 1 percent of USA households  household income averages 190
times the national average , own 34.3% of the nations wealth and include the
Forbes 400 whose 2006 wealth was 1.25 Trillion dollars.

This is more than the combined wealth of the bottom 90 percent.  Power and
money trump ethics so how does the rest of society manage the moral hazard
of undeniable access to lifespan enhancing and extending and enhancement
therapeutics ( http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/cebys08/  ) for some and
QALY limited access for everybody else?



My next piece will provide details of life extending therapeutics which have
a wide range of accessibility, cost and  proof of efficacy.  Some have been
available for years and some are years from the commercial market.

This series was meant to help you plan for the future based by developing
your own personal pro-health and longevity strategic action plan.


You may send your feedback attention "Pharmer Mo" at
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   1. Re: Software advice please (Giu1i0 Pri5c0)<br>
   2. ExtroBritannia's June event: Technology risks and the<br>
      survival of humanity (estropico)<br>
   3. Thoughtware.TV: Technological Memes (Andres Colon)<br>
   4. Technology advances replicators (Keith Henson)<br>
   5. Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings (scerir)<br>
   6. The New Milky Way (Damien Broderick)<br>
   7.  Air-powered cars (<a href="mailto:artillo at comcast.net">artillo at comcast.net</a>)<br>
   8. dark matter (and -- shhhh! -- the F**** p-dox) (Jeff Davis)<br>
   9. Cruisin' New Horizons (Amara Graps)<br>
  10. Re: Air-powered cars (spike)<br>
  11. Re: Air-powered cars (Keith Henson)<br>
  12. Re: Cruisin' New Horizons (Kevin H)<br>
  13. Re: Air-powered cars (Kevin H)<br>
  14. Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions of the<br>
      Future - Second Life, June 4, 5 (Giu1i0 Pri5c0)<br>
  15. longevity dividend course OP-ED assignment 01 (Morris Johnson)<br>
  16. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 02 (Morris Johnson)<br>
  17. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 03 (Morris Johnson)<br>
  18. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 04 (Morris Johnson)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:15:36 +0200<br>
From: "Giu1i0 Pri5c0" <<a href="mailto:pgptag at gmail.com">pgptag at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Software advice please<br>
To: "ExI chat list" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Kevin Freels <<a href="mailto:kevinfreels at insightbb.com">kevinfreels at insightbb.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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><br>
> You may want to also look into building a Joomla website and use a forum<br>
> module. There's a steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it,<br>
> it's a nice way to be able to manage content. Best of all, it's free and<br>
> open source. <a href="http://www.joomla.org" target="_blank">www.joomla.org</a><br>
<br>
Joomla is nice and reasonably easy to install and use. I still prefer<br>
Expression Engine, it comes with blogging and forum modules and many<br>
other things. Mediawiki is also easy to install and use.<br>
<br>
G.<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:56:47 +0100<br>
From: estropico <<a href="mailto:estropico at gmail.com">estropico at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] ExtroBritannia's June event: Technology risks and the<br>
        survival of humanity<br>
To: <a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a><br>
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Technology risks and the survival of humanity: Is emerging technology<br>
more likely to destroy human civilisation or to radically enhance it?<br>
<br>
The next ExtroBritannia event is scheduled for Saturday the 14th of<br>
June 2008, 2pm-4pm. Venue: Room 539 (fifth floor), Birkbeck College,<br>
Torrington Square, London WC1E 7HX. The event is free and everyone's<br>
welcome.<br>
<br>
This meeting previews and summarises some of the discussions that will<br>
be taking place in July at the (four day long) conference "Global<br>
Catastrophic Risks" that will be taking place in Oxford in July<br>
(<a href="http://www.global-catastrophic-risks.com/" target="_blank">http://www.global-catastrophic-risks.com/</a>)<br>
<br>
This is arguably the single most important topic that can ever be discussed!<br>
<br>
Risks worthy of review include:<br>
<br>
*) Runaway greenhouse effects and other drastic climate change - vs<br>
possible geo-engineering solutions and new, cleaner, sources of energy<br>
*) Nuclear wars provoked by catastrophic nuclear terrorism<br>
*) Supervolcanoes - potentially tamed by future super-strong nanomaterials<br>
*) A global pandemic of some horrible new disease<br>
*) Hazards from comets and asteroids<br>
*) The emergence of malevolent super-AI - vs the chance that super-AI<br>
will allow us to find better solutions to our existential risks<br>
<br>
Speakers who will lead the discussion include:<br>
<br>
Julian Snape - looking at technology risks and solutions from the<br>
point of view of both nanotechnology and possible collisions from NEOs<br>
(Near Earth Objects - comets and asteroids)<br>
<br>
John Dinsdale - looking at technology risks and solutions around<br>
Global Warming, Peak Energy (fossil fuel,nuclear) and EROEI (energy<br>
return on energy invested)<br>
<br>
Join the debate!<br>
<br>
Venue:<br>
<br>
Birkbeck College - Room 539, 5th floor, Main Building, Torrington<br>
Square (which is a pedestrian-only square), London WC1E 7HX ? MAP:<br>
<a href="http://www.bbk.ac.uk/maps" target="_blank">http://www.bbk.ac.uk/maps</a><br>
<br>
The nearest tube station is Russell Square. Come out of the tube<br>
station and turn left, to walk west along Bernard St. Cross over<br>
Herbrand St then Woburn Place and keep walking westwards, on the north<br>
side of the square. Cross Bedford Way, and turn right into Thornhaugh<br>
St, then immediately left to enter Torrington Square through the<br>
pedestrian-only courtyard outside SOAS (the School of Oriental and<br>
African Studies). Veer right and you'll see the main entrance to<br>
Birkbeck College on the left as you walk up Torrington Square. Take<br>
the lift to the 5th floor and follow the signs to room 539.<br>
<br>
Discussion is likely to continue after the event in a nearby pub, for<br>
those who are able to stay. There's also the option of joining some of<br>
the UKTA regulars for drinks/lunch beforehand, starting c. 12.30, in<br>
"The Friend At Hand" pub which is situated behind Russell Square tube<br>
station on Herbrand Street. If it's your first ExtroBritannia look out<br>
for a copy of Ending Aging on display on our table.<br>
<br>
Keep an eye on our mailing list and blog for updates:<br>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extrobritannia/" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extrobritannia/</a><br>
<a href="http://extrobritannia.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://extrobritannia.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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Cheers,<br>
Fabio<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:03:19 -0400<br>
From: "Andres Colon" <<a href="mailto:andres at thoughtware.tv">andres at thoughtware.tv</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Thoughtware.TV: Technological Memes<br>
To: <a href="mailto:singularity at v2.listbox.com">singularity at v2.listbox.com</a>, "World Transhumanist Association<br>
        Discussion List"        <<a href="mailto:wta-talk at transhumanism.org">wta-talk at transhumanism.org</a>>,   "ExI chat list"<br>
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I have to recommend you to watch this talk by Susan Blackmore, on the<br>
subject of Memes and "temes".<br>
<a href="http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/2191" target="_blank">http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/2191</a><br>
<br>
"Psychologist/memeticist Susan Blackmore proposes that there's a new layer<br>
of "selfish", evolving replicators in the making: just like cognitive<br>
replicators (memes) came into existence at some point during genetic<br>
evolution, relying on the genetic layer for their continued<br>
existence/replication but also controlling it to a certain degree, now<br>
'temes' (technological replicators) are emerging as a product of<br>
genetic-memetic evolution, to rely on both genes and memes for their<br>
survival/replication, while becoming more and more able to also exert<br>
control over both these layers."<br>
<br>
This kind contribution was added by Donjoe, community member at<br>
Thoughtware.TV<br>
<br>
Andres,<br>
President of Thoughtware.TV<br>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:27:44 -0700<br>
From: "Keith Henson" <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson at gmail.com">hkeithhenson at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Technology advances replicators<br>
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Posted: June 3, 2008<br>
<br>
Prototype of machine that copies itself goes on show<br>
(*Nanowerk News*)<br>
<br>
Granted, this is not nanotechnology yet, but quite an interesting<br>
development nevertheless: A University of Bath academic, who oversees a<br>
global effort to develop an open-source machine that 'prints'<br>
three-dimensional objects, is celebrating after the prototype machine<br>
succeeded in making a set of its own printed parts. The machine, named<br>
RepRap <<a href="http://reprap.org/" target="_blank">http://reprap.org/</a>>, will be exhibited publicly at the Cheltenham<br>
Science Festival (June 4-8, 2008).<br>
<br>
RepRap is short for replicating rapid-prototyper; it employs a technique<br>
called 'additive fabrication'. The machine works a bit like a printer,<br>
but, rather than squirting ink onto paper, it puts down thin layers of<br>
molten plastic which solidify. These layers are built up to make useful 3D<br>
objects.  [image: RepRap]<br>
<br>
RepRap has, so far, been capable of making everyday plastic goods such as<br>
door handles,sandals and coat hooks. Now, the machine has also succeeded<br>
in copying all its own 3D-printed parts.   These parts have been printed<br>
and assembled by RepRap team member, Vik Olliver, in Auckland, New<br>
Zealand, into a new RepRap machine that can replicate the same set of<br>
parts for yet another RepRap machine and so on ad infinitum. While 3D<br>
printers have been available commercially for about 25 years, RepRap is<br>
the first that can essentially print itself.<br>
<br>
The RepRap research and development project was conceived, and is<br>
directed, by Dr Adrian Bowyer, a senior lecturer in engineering in the<br>
Faculty of Engineering & Design at the University of Bath, UK.   Dr Bowyer<br>
said that: "These days, most people in the developed world run a<br>
professional-quality print works, photographic lab and CD-pressing plant<br>
in their own house, all courtesy of their home PC. Why shouldn't they also<br>
run their own desktop factory capable of making many of the things they<br>
presently buy in shops, too?<br>
<br>
"The possibilities are endless. Now, people can make exactly what they<br>
want. If the design of an existing object does not quite suit their needs,<br>
they can easily redesign it on their PC and print that out, instead of<br>
making do with a mass-produced second-best design from the shops. They can<br>
also print out extra RepRap printers to give to their friends. Then those<br>
friends can make what they want too."   R<br>
<br>
ecently, Chris DiBona, Open Source Programs Manager at Google Inc,<br>
encouraged people to: "Think of RepRap as a China on your desktop."<br>
<br>
Sir James Dyson, Chief Executive of the Dyson Group, said: "RepRap is a<br>
different, revolutionary way of approaching invention. It could allow<br>
people to change the ergonomics of a design to their own specific needs."<br>
 Dr Bowyer hopes people will come to the Cheltenham Science Festival and<br>
see both the 'parent' and the 'child' RepRap machines in action for the<br>
first time together.<br>
<br>
"RepRap is the most enjoyable research project I've ever run," he said.<br>
"Without the many talented and selfless volunteers the RepRap project has<br>
all round the world, it would have never succeeded so quickly."<br>
<br>
Complete plans for the prototype RepRap 3D printer and detailed tutorials<br>
to aid motivated amateurs (and professionals) in assembling one are<br>
available, free-of-charge, at the RepRap website (details below). The<br>
materials, plus the minority of parts that the machine cannot print, cost<br>
about ?300. All those non-printed parts can be bought at hardware shops or<br>
from online stores.<br>
<br>
Dr Bowyer and several of the other Reprap team members will be available<br>
to answer questions and exhibit the parent and child RepRap printers in<br>
operation at the Cheltenham Science Festival from June 4-8, 2008.<br>
<br>
Source: *University of Bath*<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:18:09 +0200<br>
From: "scerir" <<a href="mailto:scerir at libero.it">scerir at libero.it</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings<br>
To: "ExI chat list" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
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Cold fusion seems to be a real "effect".<br>
But the question is: whatever the<br>
(unknown) reaction [1], is there a measurable<br>
*excess* energy? To my knowledge [2], this<br>
measurement (heat, radiation, etc.)<br>
isn't easy at all.<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] There is a number of previously unknown<br>
reactions, in that field, in example see:<br>
<a href="http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/865-2.html" target="_blank">http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/865-2.html</a><br>
<br>
[2] Somebody pointed out the same thing here<br>
(scroll down) if I remember well<br>
<a href="http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html" target="_blank">http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html</a><br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:55:58 -0500<br>
From: Damien Broderick <<a href="mailto:thespike at satx.rr.com">thespike at satx.rr.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] The New Milky Way<br>
To: "'ExI chat list'" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7.0.1.0.2.20080605124912.0240b848 at satx.rr.com">7.0.1.0.2.20080605124912.0240b848 at satx.rr.com</a>><br>
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<br>
from the blog of Adam Crowl, astronomer:<br>
<br>
<<a href="http://crowlspace.com/?p=133" target="_blank">http://crowlspace.com/?p=133</a>>The New Milky Way<br>
<br>
June 4th, 2008<br>
<br>
The latest view of our Galaxy, the Milky Way, can<br>
be found at the Spitzer Infra-Red Space Telescope?s newspages here?<br>
<br>
<<a href="http://gallery.spitzer.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2008-10b" target="_blank">http://gallery.spitzer.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2008-10b</a>>The<br>
New Galaxy<br>
<br>
?seems we?re now officially a few galactic arms<br>
short - two arms based on old hydrogen-based maps<br>
aren?t evidenced by actual star-counts and thus<br>
were an artefact of the limitations of<br>
hydrogen-based radio astronomy. The Galaxy is<br>
still a BIG place, but it looks more like a<br>
pretty barred spiral galaxy than a relatively<br>
dull ?grand-design? flocculent spiral like it did in the old maps.<br>
<br>
But why are spiral arms the way they are? It?s a<br>
puzzle, but one astrophysicists have no end of<br>
good ideas about - and then along come some new surprises, like this one?<br>
<br>
<<a href="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080602-aas-blackhole-mass.html" target="_blank">http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080602-aas-blackhole-mass.html</a>>Black<br>
Hole Mass determines tightness of the Spiral<br>
<br>
?seems the heftier the central Black Hole, the<br>
tighter the spiral arms. In our Local Group there<br>
are three big Spirals - ours, M31 (in Andromeda)<br>
and M33 (in Triangulum) - and the central Black<br>
Hole masses 4 million Solar masses (for the Milky<br>
Way), 180 million for M31, and just 1,500 for<br>
M33. M33 is a pretty loose spiral, though pretty.<br>
Andromeda?s M31 is tightly wound, from what we<br>
can see as M31 is tilted away from us. SO the<br>
Milky Way is somewhere between the two.<br>
<br>
But why the correlation? Dark Matter? Weird<br>
gravity lanes? Something in hyperspace? Who<br>
knows? And that?s why astronomy is both fun and worth doing?<br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:10:50 +0000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:artillo at comcast.net">artillo at comcast.net</a><br>
Subject: [ExI]  Air-powered cars<br>
To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
Message-ID:<br>
        <<a href="mailto:060520081810.11208.48482C2A000EA52700002BC82206999735010404079B9D0E at comcast.net">060520081810.11208.48482C2A000EA52700002BC82206999735010404079B9D0E at comcast.net</a>><br>
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<br>
<br>
Strangely enough, this is the first I've heard of this:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/" target="_blank">http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/</a><br>
<br>
what a shame we in the USA have to wait for such a thing to come around.<br>
Seems like a really simple idea, maybe I'll build one myself LOL<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:21:13 -0700<br>
From: "Jeff Davis" <<a href="mailto:jrd1415 at gmail.com">jrd1415 at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] dark matter (and -- shhhh! -- the F**** p-dox)<br>
To: "ExI chat list" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
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Here's the deal.<br>
<br>
The talk about dark matter uses terms like "non-baryonic", and<br>
otherwise asserts that dark matter is distinctly different from<br>
regular matter.  But I have yet to find any evidence for the<br>
it-ain't-regular-matter presumption.  The entire case, as far as I<br>
have been able to determine, comes from the fact that the "matter" in<br>
question is "dark".  That, unlike "regular" matter, it can't be seen;<br>
that it doesn't emit any light or other EM; that it doesn't do what<br>
"regular" matter does, ie form cosmic dust clouds, stars, planets,<br>
galaxies, etc.  The only actual, substantive, tangible thing that it<br>
does -- and which is the totality of evidence (that I have been able<br>
to find) establishing it's existence -- is its gravitational effect.<br>
And as far as I can tell, this is just, well.., you know, "regular"<br>
gravity.  Not some special sort of dark matter gravity.<br>
<br>
So what's up?  Did I miss something?  Do any of youse guys know<br>
something more about this "dark stuff" -- other than that its dark?<br>
Something that would rise to the level of actual evidence that "dark<br>
matter" is not just regular matter that is well, you know,... dark?<br>
<br>
[Shhhhhh.  Avert you eye's.  Scroll past this next bit real quick<br>
like.  Don't read it.  And don't say anything if you do.]<br>
<br>
In discussions of the Fermi paradox Eugen L and John Clark have<br>
forcefully taken the position that if technologically adept<br>
space-faring civilizations were abundant in the universe, then at<br>
least one would have invented Von Neuman probes, and that we would<br>
"see"  evidence in the form of cosmic engineering.  At the same time<br>
Robert B., in related discussions re cosmic engineering, ie<br>
computronium-mediated matrioshka brains, Dyson spheres, etc, has made<br>
the point that, for most efficient energy use, a prime location for<br>
such structures would be in the darkness between stars.  There, the<br>
outermost of the nested shells --each shell harvests the "waste"<br>
energy radiated from the inner adjacent shell -- that last, outermost<br>
shell dumps its waste heat into the cosmos at a temperature as close<br>
as feasible to the cosmic background radiation.  Wouldn't such<br>
engineered structures, so located, be exceedingly dark?  So is it<br>
utterly unreasonable to point to the so-called "dark matter",<br>
currently calculated to comprise 85-90 percent of the mass of the<br>
universe, and say, "There's your engineered universe, guys.  Complete<br>
with 10-15 percent "green" space."?<br>
<br>
I don't know.  My pre-singularity chimpy brain can't figure it out.  I<br>
even put on  a snazzy white lab coat and stood near an array of<br>
brushed-aluminum-fronted lab instruments with digital displays that<br>
made little beeping sounds, but it didn't help.<br>
<br>
Enhance me, please.<br>
<br>
Best, Jeff Davis<br>
<br>
     Aspiring Transhuman / Delusional Ape<br>
           (Take your pick)<br>
                 Nicq MacDonald<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:43:58 -0600<br>
From: Amara Graps <<a href="mailto:amara at amara.com">amara at amara.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Cruisin' New Horizons<br>
To: <a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a>, <a href="mailto:wta-talk at transhumanism.org">wta-talk at transhumanism.org</a><br>
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In two days, New Horizons passes the orbit of Saturn (~10 AU). As you<br>
might recall, it was only the end of February 2007 (that's right, _last_<br>
year), that it passed Jupiter (~5 AU). It's zippin' at 65,803 km/h. Only<br>
the two tiny Helios spacecraft (mid-70s 250,000 km/h) breaks the record<br>
as the fastest manmade objects ever flown.<br>
<br>
See the data for New Horizon's trajectory here:<br>
<a href="http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/" target="_blank">http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/</a><br>
<br>
Just 2594 days and 17 minutes to Pluto! ;-)<br>
<br>
Amara<br>
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--<br>
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Amara Graps, PhD      <a href="http://www.amara.com" target="_blank">www.amara.com</a><br>
Research Scientist, Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), Boulder, Colorado<br>
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Message: 10<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:01:53 -0700<br>
From: "spike" <<a href="mailto:spike66 at att.net">spike66 at att.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars<br>
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> ... On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:artillo at comcast.net">artillo at comcast.net</a><br>
<br>
> Strangely enough, this is the first I've heard of this:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/" target="_blank">http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/</a><br>
><br>
> what a shame we in the USA have to wait for such a thing to<br>
> come around.<br>
> Seems like a really simple idea, maybe I'll build one myself<br>
> LOL<br>
<br>
Do the calcs first Artillo.  They say a little more than one horsepower,<br>
then make the absurd claim of 70 mph for 120 miles.  I can *guarantee you*<br>
those numbers are wrong.  Perhaps they dropped a decimal point twice: I<br>
would believe a top speed of 7 miles per hour for 12 miles.<br>
<br>
Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always<br>
comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.<br>
<br>
spike<br>
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Message: 11<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:22:46 -0700<br>
From: "Keith Henson" <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson at gmail.com">hkeithhenson at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars<br>
To: "ExI chat list" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
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On 6/5/08, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66 at att.net">spike66 at att.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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snip<br>
><br>
> Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always<br>
> comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.<br>
<br>
Indeed.<br>
<br>
So what do we need for carbon neutral synthetic gasoline?<br>
<br>
At a recent conference a guy had worked out the numbers to suck carbon<br>
dioxide out of the air and combine it with hydrogen in a reverse<br>
combustion industrial operation.<br>
<br>
He got 79kWh/gallon.  I have confidence in that number because the<br>
energy in a gallon of gasoline is about 38 kWh and this number is<br>
close to twice that.<br>
<br>
So if you want gasoline for about a dollar a gallon, you can do it on<br>
a megascale if you can get massive power in the penny or sub penny per<br>
kWh.<br>
<br>
If you assume 2kg/kW power sats and work the numbers backwards from<br>
penny a kWh, you can afford about $75/kg for the lift cost to GEO.<br>
That's easy with a space elevator, which takes about 15 cents of<br>
electricity and (if it cost $100 billion) a capital charge of<br>
$12.50/kg for an 800,000 ton per year delivery model.<br>
<br>
Reuseable heavy lift launch vehicles will do that for an incremental<br>
cost of about $300 a kg split between $1.5 billion for the rocket and<br>
$1.5 billion for operations.  In 100 flights, a single rocket<br>
delievers 10,000 tons to GEO.  ($3 billion/0.01 B kg)<br>
<br>
I have a proposal out to reduce this cost to at least 1/3 and perhaps<br>
1/6.  I don't want to make it public just yet, but if you feel up to<br>
checking assumptions and my math, ask and I will send you a copy.<br>
<br>
Keith Henson<br>
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Message: 12<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:59:27 -0700<br>
From: "Kevin H" <<a href="mailto:kevin.l.holmes at gmail.com">kevin.l.holmes at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Cruisin' New Horizons<br>
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Amara Graps <<a href="mailto:amara at amara.com">amara at amara.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
> In two days, New Horizons passes the orbit of Saturn (~10 AU). As you<br>
> might recall, it was only the end of February 2007 (that's right, _last_<br>
> year), that it passed Jupiter (~5 AU). It's zippin' at 65,803 km/h. Only<br>
> the two tiny Helios spacecraft (mid-70s 250,000 km/h) breaks the record<br>
> as the fastest manmade objects ever flown.<br>
><br>
> See the data for New Horizon's trajectory here:<br>
> <a href="http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/" target="_blank">http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/</a><br>
><br>
> Just 2594 days and 17 minutes to Pluto! ;-)<br>
><br>
> Amara<br>
<br>
<br>
Cool site, Amara.  I used to track New Horizons on the NASA page (<br>
<a href="http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/whereis_nh.php" target="_blank">http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/whereis_nh.php</a>) but then I got out of the<br>
habit for some reason.  But, I definitely think it is a cool program and at<br>
last we'll see the last former planet up close, and I won't even have to<br>
wait until I'm thawed out from my cryogenic slumber :)<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:23:41 -0700<br>
From: "Kevin H" <<a href="mailto:kevin.l.holmes at gmail.com">kevin.l.holmes at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars<br>
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson at gmail.com">hkeithhenson at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 6/5/08, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66 at att.net">spike66 at att.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> snip<br>
> ><br>
> > Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always<br>
> > comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.<br>
><br>
> Indeed.<br>
><br>
> So what do we need for carbon neutral synthetic gasoline?<br>
><br>
> At a recent conference a guy had worked out the numbers to suck carbon<br>
> dioxide out of the air and combine it with hydrogen in a reverse<br>
> combustion industrial operation.<br>
<br>
<br>
That's an interesting idea, but how exactly is this done?<br>
<br>
But I agree with the premise: gasoline is far more energy dense than<br>
electric batteries will ever be.  This really hit home when I was reading<br>
about the proposed specs of the upcoming Chevrolet Volt.  It's 16 kWh<br>
battery, when fully charged, gives it a 40 mile range.  But it has a<br>
gasoline "range extender" that does nothing but recharge the battery,<br>
attaining a range of 640 miles.<br>
<br>
It's an excellent step, I think, which is what is going to be needed in an<br>
energy-scarce world, so that people can choose which way they want to fuel<br>
their cars based on existing prices.  Right now, electricity is cheaper than<br>
gasoline per mile, but with a large number of electric vehicles on the road<br>
the price of electricity might go up.  Ah well, no such thing as a free<br>
lunch.<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
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Message: 14<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:18:07 +0200<br>
From: "Giu1i0 Pri5c0" <<a href="mailto:pgptag at gmail.com">pgptag at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions<br>
        of the  Future - Second Life, June 4, 5<br>
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Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions of the Future -<br>
Second Life, June 4, 5<br>
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Full text of my talk with SL chatlog<br>
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Message: 15<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:19:22 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav at gmail.com">mfj.eav at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] longevity dividend course OP-ED assignment 01<br>
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LIVING HEALTHIER AND LONGER<br>
<br>
<br>
Hey Kids , are you ready for anti-aging / regenerative medicine?<br>
"Get real Dad, be serious, act your age, get over your midlife crisis ,<br>
there is no such as anti-aging medicine , you are going to die sooner than<br>
you think so quit wasting your time and focus on making your last years as<br>
comfortable as possible" has been a typical response.<br>
I respond "ANTI-AGING MEDICINE really exists and the market for doctors who<br>
open anti-aging medical spas is currently 50 billion dollars per year with<br>
each patient worth 4-20,000 dollars per year in products and services. "<br>
Recent episodes of "60 minutes, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report and a<br>
Barbara Walters ABC Special on longevity" report that a certain Dr. Aubrey<br>
DeGrey is to this new frontier what David Suzuki and Al Gore are to<br>
environmentalism.<br>
The "Inconvenient Truth" is that the super wealthy are already the first<br>
customers, the investors and the owners and promoters of this entirely new<br>
form of medicine.  Billions of real money are already committed to<br>
commercial products under development.<br>
What we are talking about is a medicine not just designed to rescue you from<br>
cancer, heart disease or degenerative conditions after they are diagnosed<br>
but a whole new system of medical care designed to prevent disease years or<br>
even decades before it might happen.<br>
Not everyone is convinced that even the garden variety anti-aging ideas are<br>
safe. Some recent headlines read.. "Antioxidant Vitamin E supplements may be<br>
deadly" and "Don't bank on anti-aging pills anytime soon - unless you're a<br>
worm"<br>
Some feel we have no business even poking around and tinkering with mother<br>
nature's secrets.  Potential therapies have had a rough start here in the<br>
west but have taken root elsewhere.  When stem cell technologies were banned<br>
in western countries, Chinese students just packed up their lap-tops and<br>
headed home to apply this new knowledge to a more receptive audience.  This<br>
is how a cancer treatment called Gendicine originated.  We in North America<br>
have a regulatory system that does not allow individual risk takers to move<br>
so rapidly to commercialize new medical technology.  If computers and<br>
software had been regulated like medicine we would still be using Commadore<br>
64's and playing Pong. Unwillingness to take risks drastically reduces the<br>
possibility of benefit.<br>
According to Dr. S. Jay Olshansky of the University of Illinois a "longevity<br>
dividend" of lower health care costs, increased savings and worker<br>
productivity would result from a modest deceleration in the rate of aging by<br>
about seven years, and adequate funding could produce "dramatic advances in<br>
preventive medicine and public health within the next few decades."<br>
I am Morris Johnson . At age 52 , after spending 35 years reading scientific<br>
medical research journals I do not just follow fads .  I am neither an<br>
uncritical enthusiast nor an uninformed skeptic.  I personally venture out<br>
within the bounds of my personal means to use the best science the world has<br>
to offer in attempt to catch and surf the longevity wave and secure for<br>
myself a personal longevity dividend.  I have designed and do follow my own<br>
personalized healthy lifespan management program.<br>
<br>
Is the science real or bogus.  As I write this I have just begun a 10 week<br>
course to study this thing called the "longevity Dividend".  Tomorrow I will<br>
attend a conference entitled "Improving Human Health 2 ? Metabolic<br>
Syndrome".  Let me be your guide to take the mystery out of the term<br>
"Longevity Dividend" and lets explore together the promises and risks for<br>
not just baby boomers and their children but society as a whole. For<br>
example, how might longer healthier lives affect the economics of pensions,<br>
jobs and family relationships and medical care Systems.<br>
<br>
This 10 part series will bring you my findings , pose questions and perhaps<br>
add an opinion or two, if space permits.<br>
You may send your feedback "attention Pharmer Mo" at<br>
<a href="mailto:extropian.pharmer at gmail.com">extropian.pharmer at gmail.com</a><br>
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Message: 16<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:21:58 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav at gmail.com">mfj.eav at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 02<br>
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02-Healthy Demographics<br>
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<br>
<br>
To accept "groundhog day" and succumb to death at the statistically<br>
predicted  age of  85 or to defy statistics to keep motoring on , that is<br>
the question; whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows<br>
of social persecution for daring to hope to be able to flaunt  youthful<br>
beauty at 113?.or by taking up arms against aging to transform it into<br>
"steady-state self-directed long-term self-improvement project".<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
"Holy purple shades of Hamlet's ghost Dad" respond my kids.  "Are you going<br>
to make us listen to the statistics and demographics of how all you baby<br>
boomers with your funky old man diseases want to flush away your 53 trillion<br>
or so dollars of pension fund money and enslave our kids  to satisfy  your<br>
vain attempt to perpetuate your denial of the inevitability of your certain<br>
and timely  death?  "<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
"Yes",  I respond "this  family conference is about the demographics of<br>
aging".  WE ARE THE GENERATION OF OLD PEOPLE WHO WILL RULE THE 21ST CENTURY,<br>
according to Ken Dychtwald Ph.D. in AGE POWER.   We have a responsibility to<br>
learn how to use our power wisely!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Once we  lived in fear of global starvation from uncontrollable population<br>
growth.  Now China, Europe, Eastern Europe and Australia are all racing<br>
towards zero population growth as they  reduce  infant mortality, infectious<br>
disease and use  planned parenthood. People only reduce family size after<br>
the threat of  disease , malnutrition and racial conflict  diminishes.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
A new challenge to a healthy lifespan,  Metabolic Syndrome, has become an<br>
epidemic with over 25% of North Americans affected.  "Improving Human<br>
Health-08" presenters define it as systemic insulin resistance resulting<br>
from  a combination of (even modest ) obesity ("toxic waist ") , chronic<br>
silent inflammation, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, and impaired<br>
glucose tolerance.  Good genes or regular physical activity can mask it but<br>
diabetes, atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease, stroke and cancer are  its<br>
ultimate  consequences.  High risk groups include aboriginals whose genetics<br>
were never designed to cope with the rapidly digested carbohydrates of a<br>
supersized  "McDiet".  Metabolic syndrome develops most rapidly in<br>
people   with<br>
depression, lack of self asteem, or a feeling of lack of control over<br>
personal circumstances.  Young adults whose lifestyle also  includes<br>
smoking, drinking, risky recreational drug combinations ,  a poor quality<br>
diet, and sedentary lives  may be the first generation since 1850  to<br>
reverse the trend towards increased  longevity.  Researchers suggest the<br>
"Mediterranean food pyramid", regular exercise, low glycemic index (slowly<br>
digestible) carbohydrates and certain foods and nutritional supplements  as<br>
countermeasures (<br>
<a href="http://www.machineslikeus.com/cms/news/the-secret-long-life-may-not-be-genes" target="_blank">http://www.machineslikeus.com/cms/news/the-secret-long-life-may-not-be-genes</a>).<br>
What really drives healthy longevity gains is education and disposable<br>
income in that order.  Educated affluent boomers seek out solutions without<br>
regard to cost while a disproportionate number of  the lower socioeconomic<br>
groups , unsure of a solution do nothing .  Ironically, those with less<br>
ability to buy into the new health technologies are also destined to have to<br>
remain healthy enough to become the caregiver population for the affluent<br>
boomers.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Statistics show we are living longer at the average rate of 2.5 years every<br>
decade and this longevity gain is accelerating despite  the growing gap<br>
between  subpopulations.  The gap between Healthspan (healthy vibrant<br>
productive lifespan) and total lifespan will replace  poverty  as the<br>
scourge of the 21st century (<a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/84396/" target="_blank">http://www.alternet.org/story/84396/</a>).  We must<br>
remain healthy, active and part of society and like the "one hoss shea"<br>
only  fall apart  the very instant before death.  Failure to do this means<br>
physically and mentally frail  elderly boomers will be 35-70%  of the<br>
population in 2050.  This will be an absolutely intolerable  "dependency<br>
ratio" for the young to bear.<br>
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Suppose if you will, that problem and solution to this "historically<br>
insoluble enigma" are one and the same.  Pensioners and pension fund owners<br>
have 53 trillion reasons to replace palliative medicine with regenerative<br>
medicine.  A world that can spend trillions on old-fashioned wars can just<br>
as easily spend trillions in a "War against Aging".  Imagine if a war on<br>
premature death could produce extended longevity.   Just as the computers of<br>
2008 would have been magic in 1908, the medicine of 2108 after the  "War<br>
against Aging" has nearly  a century under its belt  may be nothing short of<br>
a magic show.  Can we "bootstrap it" with what we know today well enough to<br>
make it to that show regenerated instead of frail.  Every war has to have a<br>
"flashpoint" to start.  Fortunately, a "War for Healthy Longevity" can<br>
ignite from any of 7 scientifically accepted Pandora's "tinder" boxes.<br>
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In part 3 I will detail what we think we know that can be used to make our<br>
healthspan equal to our lifespan.  You may send your feedback attention<br>
"Pharmer Mo" at <a href="mailto:extropian.pharmer at gmail.com">extropian.pharmer at gmail.com</a><br>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:23:59 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav at gmail.com">mfj.eav at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 03<br>
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03-Healthy  Biology<br>
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All living things  have metabolism, metabolism continually causes damage ,<br>
damage eventually causes pathology , pathology is disease, and leads to  aging<br>
then death.  Mother nature made biology so complicated  so every generation<br>
would have no choice but to grow up, reproduce, nurture offspring and then<br>
get dead as fast as possible to make room for the next go round.<br>
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"You know what dad, We think there's hope for you yet.  Let's see you weasel<br>
out of this one".<br>
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"To do justice to the topic this time, the kids are going to see dad sweat ,<br>
by golly", says I.<br>
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Metabolism is the incredibly complex network of molecular and cellular<br>
processes that keep us alive. Gerontologists study metabolism. Pathology is<br>
the network of molecular processes that kill us. Geriatricians study disease<br>
pathology.  A whole  new breed of anti-aging specialists study and treat  the<br>
missing link, damage.   <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23358964/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23358964/</a>   documents<br>
how some  simple regenerative measures are now part of integrative<br>
(combining of all possible options into a carefully planned package)<br>
medicine.<br>
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You can turn an old car into a vintage classic car by assessing the<br>
condition then systematically repairing the old damage , then continue<br>
watching  for new damage and fix  that too.  Why can't you do the same with<br>
people?  That's the "engineering approach" proposed by Dr Aubrey de Grey,<br>
founder of the Methusalah Foundation., Cambridge , UK.  He has raised 10<br>
million dollars of funding in the last 2 years and awards funding for<br>
research towards creating a replicatable animal model,  the Rejuvenated<br>
Robust "Methusalah" Mouse (MM).  Simply put take a mouse as old as a 55 year<br>
old human (in mouse years) and give it  3 times its remaining life<br>
expectancy , all in good health..  If you use these same age retarding<br>
techniques on people you should  halve the rate of damage and  add 30 extra<br>
healthy years to the 30 expected for a 55 year old and raise total<br>
healthspan by 20% overall.<br>
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Aubrey sees damage repair as the critical control points that reduce the<br>
metabolic hazards to an acceptable level and manage the risk of diminished<br>
quality of the finished product, lifespan..  Aubrey has segmented the damage<br>
into 7 categories: junk inside cells, junk outside cells, too few cells, too<br>
many cells, chromosome mutations, mitochondria (energy producing<br>
intracellular organelles) mutations and protein crosslinks.  For each<br>
category there is a proposed repair strategy.  The sum of these strategies<br>
is termed "engineered negligible senescence" (SENS)[<br>
<a href="http://richardjschueler.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56847" target="_blank">http://richardjschueler.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56847</a>  ] .  Later in<br>
this series I will discuss the safety and efficacy of specific current<br>
therapies as they relate to the "seven deadly sins of  metabolism".   These<br>
interventions are at various stages of research, development and clinical<br>
and  every day commercial  application.  Aubrey states that you don't have<br>
to repair all the damage at once.  If you start at the "biological age" of<br>
55 and select the most critical  areas and fix  HALF THE DAMAGE  you should<br>
double the total healthspan and raise the remaining healthspan  5 times.  The<br>
goal for a commercial regenerative medicine industry would be to reduce the<br>
remaining damage each time therapy is undertaken and implement increasingly<br>
more effective repair.  Eventually repair happens faster than new damage<br>
occurs.<br>
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FYI-Watch the  BBC TV series " How to Build a Human 4of4 - Forever Young (60<br>
minutes)  1/6  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ZAhdSidzk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ZAhdSidzk</a><br>
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2/6   <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necHabLN37Q" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necHabLN37Q</a><br>
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3/6  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cAIPTPIL7A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cAIPTPIL7A</a><br>
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4/6   <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqoT1oCEBI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqoT1oCEBI</a><br>
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5/6  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObrLpV8ric" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObrLpV8ric</a><br>
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6/6  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkf23Nn9qX0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkf23Nn9qX0</a><br>
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Aubrey has coined the term "Longevity Escape Velocity" as the rate at which<br>
rejuvenation therapies must improve in order to hope to outpace the<br>
accumulation of damage they cannot currently fully repair.<br>
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Compare this to manned flight, an insoluble problem since the dawn of<br>
civilization until 1903.  Once the  Wright Brothers made the first proven<br>
flight, everything was copied and improved upon  until today we can fly just<br>
about anything anywhere.  For a sneak peek into the future see :<br>
<a href="http://transcurve.net/blog/aaron/10-reasons-you-will-live-to-1000" target="_blank">http://transcurve.net/blog/aaron/10-reasons-you-will-live-to-1000</a>.<br>
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My next piece will detail the issues surrounding the bioethics debate about<br>
purposefully increasing healthy longevity.  You may send your feedback<br>
attention "Pharmer Mo" at <a href="mailto:extropian.pharmer at gmail.com">extropian.pharmer at gmail.com</a><br>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:25:18 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav at gmail.com">mfj.eav at gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 04<br>
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04-Healthy Ethics<br>
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"Trust me we know what's good for you dad and we'll always do the (ethical)<br>
right thing".<br>
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I know you mean well, but if what you deem ethical and right for me is<br>
blocked by legislation or regulation; will you let me die?  The Readers"<br>
Digest thesaurus of synonyms calls moral, decent, virtuous, upright, proper,<br>
fitting, correct, just, fair, aboveboard and kosher "ethical" and<br>
underhanded, shady, improper, unfair, lowdown, nefarious, unbecoming,<br>
unseemly, indecorous, immoral and indecent "unethical. "<br>
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Ethics are not fixed and can be skewed by "moral hazard", the punishment we<br>
get or cause for doing good deeds.    Moral hazard occurs when there are<br>
more beneficiaries to death than life.   The value of a "Quality Adjusted<br>
Life Year" (QALY)[mathematically derived value of a year of perfect health]<br>
for a patient determines if an HMO or public payor will contribute and how<br>
much towards a medical good or service.  For example a simple vaccination<br>
for HPV when allowed under medicare can have a $100,000 /QALY value if it is<br>
deemed that the population based average risk of death  from cervical cancer<br>
is too low.  Then a "sensitivity analysis" can be  done and criteria which<br>
modify the accessibility are developed so that the adjusted QALY value  is<br>
reduced to an acceptable number, usually less than $50,000/QALY saved.<br>
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Ethics of institutionalized Ageism is demonstrated thusly: If a youth dies<br>
it's a loss of potentially productive life ; If a frail elderly person dies<br>
it's a blessing to see them free of pain and suffering.  "Living Wills" are<br>
spun to be a way for the frail or terminally ill to relieve health care<br>
providers of the need for heroic or long term end of life palliative<br>
measures.  The moral hazard is that the last year of life is extraordinarily<br>
expensive.  The payor saves by being able to redistribute the savings to<br>
other covered services or shareholders.  In 2008 in Saskatchewan when 43.7%<br>
of every tax dollar went to healthcare, the average cost of all the health<br>
care goods and services was $4,360 per person.  Saving $5-30,000 by socially<br>
accepted forms of  passive euthanasia VS allowing expensive experimental,<br>
risky heroic long shot measures which may provide insights into how to<br>
better treat the next person show how ethics and moral hazard can collide as<br>
an ethical conundrum.  Canada's "progressive licencing" for new<br>
pharmaceuticals is a step towards managing this hazard.<br>
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( <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html" target="_blank">http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-rele<br>
ase-trial-drugs-to-patients.html</a><<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html" target="_blank">http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html</a>><br>

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Our culture does not allow "honor killing" within families or maintaining a<br>
one child policy and selecting for that child to be a son by killing newborn<br>
girl babies however, a Seattle Washington man ,Timothy Garon, who used State<br>
Law approved medical marijuana to ease his pain from advanced hepatitis was<br>
knocked him off the elegibility list for a liver transplant and left to die<br>
recently.<br>
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Some say taxpayer paid universal medicare creates an incentive to act<br>
irresponsibly because the safety net will catch you.  Cost shared coverage<br>
of preventative care should yield savings over the total life-cycle of a<br>
patient.  <a href="http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001479.php" target="_blank">http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001479.php</a>  briefly considers  the<br>
economic costs Vs benefits of the longevity dividend<br>
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Let me set out some of the common arguments against enhancing adult<br>
longevity as set down by George Dvorsky in his presentation to the "securing<br>
the Longevity Dividend" meeting.  George states that critics contend that<br>
death has value by giving meaning to life, providing for the need for<br>
morality, allowing for self-sacrifice, preventing excessive risk aversion,<br>
making beauty exist and providing a vital imperfection. Some  say that it<br>
would be cost prohibitive, people would have unequal access and that<br>
distribution would be unfair. Some say the motivations are questionable, are<br>
of no known social good, produce anti-social behavior, there are more<br>
pressing concerns for society to deal with (global security and geopolitical<br>
gamesmanship) and that individual actions are against the collective best<br>
interest (<a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/anissimov20080513/" target="_blank">http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/anissimov20080513/</a> ).<br>
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The wealthiest 1 percent of USA households  household income averages 190<br>
times the national average , own 34.3% of the nations wealth and include the<br>
Forbes 400 whose 2006 wealth was 1.25 Trillion dollars.<br>
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This is more than the combined wealth of the bottom 90 percent.  Power and<br>
money trump ethics so how does the rest of society manage the moral hazard<br>
of undeniable access to lifespan enhancing and extending and enhancement<br>
therapeutics ( <a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/cebys08/" target="_blank">http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/cebys08/</a>  ) for some and<br>
QALY limited access for everybody else?<br>
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My next piece will provide details of life extending therapeutics which have<br>
a wide range of accessibility, cost and  proof of efficacy.  Some have been<br>
available for years and some are years from the commercial market.<br>
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This series was meant to help you plan for the future based by developing<br>
your own personal pro-health and longevity strategic action plan.<br>
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You may send your feedback attention "Pharmer Mo" at<br>
<a href="mailto:extropian.pharmer at gmail.com">extropian.pharmer at gmail.com</a><br>
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