[ExI] Cryonics a theory or belief?

[citta437 at aol.com]

John wrote:"  The damage to frozen human tissue is so severe at the 
temperatures
involved in cryonics, that reversing them and restoring a person to 
life is
*currently* totally beyond conventional science.  It is the dream of
cryonicists to be able to bring a frozen person back to full health and 
reap
the social and financial rewards, but that time is still a long way 
off...
John Grigg
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My reply: So it is still a dream/a belief not a theory or working 
hypothesis for cryonics does not work by scientific method of 
investigation.

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Johnny, here is your chance to introduce the more techno-savvy vision of
modern cryonicists.  The notion is not so much to figure out how to 
restore
the damaged tissue, but rather to read the condition of the damaged 
tissue,
then (by some currently mysterious means) calculate it's condition 
before it
was frozen, then either duplicate that undamaged configuration in 
another
lump of carbon or (more likely) simulate that brain configuration in
software on a very capable computer.  Then the individual lives again 
(in a
sense) in a holodeck existence.  This brand of cryonics has the same 
kinds
of fundamental issue that Religion Incorporated faces, the identity
question: is the resurrected you you?  If not, then who?
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My reply: Its neither you nor not you for there's no permanent person 
to be identified as change occurs moment to moment in the death of 
cells from a biological process during the interchange of oxygen and 
carbon dioxide. The intercellular system is not a person but a 
biological process among a lot of complex organ system such as brain 
and its supporting structures. What is a person? Its a conventional way 
of identifying an individual by social standard/culture using 
ideas/thoughts/memes.
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Spike: This being said, those of us who buy into these scenarios should 
be
understanding of those who just say no.  They don't want that.  But we 
may
be able to simulate them somehow, from collective memories and 
recordings of
that person.
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My conclusion: Therefore cryonics is a belief not unlike a religious 
belief for immortality. Simulation of collective memories are happening 
since the course of human history.

Terry