At 10:07 PM 10/27/2008 -0700, you wrote: ><http://richardjschueler.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56847>http://richardjschueler.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56847 > >John Grigg The Michael Rose talk is especially good. And rather encouraging. Chris Phoenix's presentation is certainly to be watched as well.