[ExI] retrainability of plebeians

Dagon Gmail dagonweb at gmail.com
Wed Apr 22 05:38:36 UTC 2009

2009/4/22 Emlyn <emlynoregan at gmail.com>

> 2009/4/21 Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com>:
> > The amount of
> > useful work that can be performed by humans is always larger than
> > their ability to perform. As soon as one specific job is "destroyed"
> > by technological change, another job opens. And the reasoning is quite
> > simple - Jobs exist because they fulfill human desires but there are
> > always more desires than there are resources (including humans) needed
> > to make them come true. If an easier way of fulfilling a human desire
> > is found, it will increase the amount of resources or decrease their
> > use in fulfilling the desire. The extra resources are not destroyed -
> > since there are always more desires available to soak up resources
> > (including workers), the resources will be used to satisfy yet another
> > unfulfilled desires, and not destroyed (i.e. sent to a concentration
> > camp).
> This is econ 101, and I think the really depressing thing is that you
> are right. In fact, I'm pretty sure that we passed the point long ago
> where most employed workers were doing anything real with their lives.
> I know that value is defined relatively in this context, so it is
> invalid to say what is real and not real value, but surely there is
> some difference between work which directly feeds another person, say,
> and work which is on the face of it entirely superfluous (eg: many
> faceless bureaucrat jobs in government and large industry)? Maybe
> tentatively you could say any particular job has a "reality
> coefficient", which is derived from how much impact would be felt by
> that job no longer being performed? Fuzzy. Sorry, this is difficult.

So the future will give everyone a chance to get by, by making virtual gold
WoW, to sell to people that do have a job (or the equivalent, ultra useless
job) ?
If you are right, it's a so-so future. If you are all wrong, a lot of people
will be
unable to get by, and too unlikeable to be given charity.

Those will die, or worse linger on for years in abject misery.

I sure hope that self-replicating matter compilers and cheap robotics are
to provide people with food, shelter, safety and meaning. Because if this
economical balance can not, we are in for serious misery - until we can
the brains of those locked out ... the future may belong to those with
treatments - those will win, sitting around all day in a small dingy
eating dole yeast, grinning like idiots, doing nothing but being perfectly
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