[ExI] CA gay marriage vote/was Re: Iran's plan for their gay population

[Damien Broderick]

At 11:36 AM 6/3/2009 -0700, Dan wrote:

>Why not accept, here, at face value, the notion that traditional or 
>religious beliefs played a role* -- rather than rap

I was not attributing homophobia and misogyny to rap/gangsta et al, 
but speculating that the latter are a pretty blatant expression of 
the forces that help create the former.

>or "embattled masculinity"?  I think it's vaguely (if 
>unintentionally) racist to presume (not saying you have)

Or Fanon the black psychiatrist?

>that Blacks don't have certain values and act based on these -- that 
>they just react to whatever happened in the past.

That's an absurd reduction of what I wrote, but taking it at its 
least implausible (since in a sense all of us react to whatever 
happened to us in the past, as well as to our expectations for the 
future): what are these distinctive values in black culture that you 
discern as the basis for the homophobia of many (as indexed by 
polls)? Pointing to Baptist faith or the like doesn't get us far 
unless you explain what leads those ideological belief systems to 
promote hatred of gays (supposing that they do).

Damien Broderick