[ExI] The Death Toll Imbalance in the Mideast War (Was: Mary Magdelene?/was Re: Iran's plan for their gay population)

Jeff Davis jrd1415 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 7 21:40:34 UTC 2009

2009/6/6 John Grigg <possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> America has killed far more Muslims in the past decade than the Muslims have
> killed Americans, and this isn't even a cause for remorse, the usual
> justification being that they either deserved it or got in the way.
> Do you feel that "not enough" Americans have died in the Mideast war??  How
> many more will it take for you to feel parity has been achieved??  Please
> let me know...

One million Iraqi dead in an illegal invasion,... let's see, out of
twenty-five million,...that's four percent of the population.  So, if
the US population is three hundred million, then four percent of that
is twelve million.  So, to answer John's (rhetorical and profoundly
stupid, manipulative, and biased) question -- (actually, it was John's
lame attempt to box Stathis in, since, no one who isn't "with the
terrorists" is "allowed" to advocate the killing of Americans) -- but,
wrongo bongo again -- on the basis of numerical equivalence then, the
"terrorists" (Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Taliban of whatever stripe,
al Quaeda, oh hell!, let's just say Muslims the world over and be done
with it) have a get-out-of-jail-free card for the killing of
11,992,000 Americans.

Please check my math.

> Americans (even those in uniform) tend to feel very sad about innocents
> getting killed due to the fighting...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.  Please please stop. you're killing me.

> And the Iraqi people have scratched
> their heads in amazement as American troops accused of war crimes have (at
> least sometimes) been tried for their wrongdoing and convicted.

Hahahahahahahahaha.  Oh god this is good.   Hahahahahahahaha.  And
that pathetical parenthetical,... oh god that's sweet.


> Afghanistan was a Taliban stronghold

Which makes it all okay, right?   The Taliban weren't "our" enemy
until the Bush cabal needed someone to shoot at so as to distract
Americans from noticing how Osama got away.

> and it was only a matter
> of time before Iraq developed strong ties with the major terrorist
> organizations and became a major supporter of them.

Made up out of whole Neocon cloth.

>  I just wish Pres. Bush
> had not lied to start a war that actually needed to be carried out,

Yeah, right!  If he had just gone to the American people and said ,
"The Israelis have put in a order for the American military to take
out Saddam and make the mideast safe for Israel.  They want Americans
to die for the jews (there was a Holocaust remember, so that makes it
okay) and for American taxpayers to foot the bill.  Emper... er, Vice
President Cheney wants Iraqi oil for his pals at Halliburton, the
military industrial complex wants the business, and we've got a
buttload of new generals in the Army and Marines just itchin' to show
their stuff, get some more stars, and maybe get a shot at runnin' for
president some day soon on the Republican ticket.  What say, America,
are you ready to rumble?!!"

Americans would have jumped at the chance.  I can't for the life of me
figure why he thought he had to lie about it!!!  Fuck the UN charter.

> But ask yourself, how would Russia or China behave if they alone had the
> combined economic, technological and military power that the U.S.
> possesses?  I shudder at the very thought...

Because, twenty years after the fall of the Soviet Union your brain is
still polluted with all that anti-communist bullshit.  Here's what you
do.  Rip the cord from some unused appliance.  Cut it to length -- a
foot less than your height -- strip the ends and tape them to your
temples.  Now lie on the floor directly opposite an electrical outlet
on the wall.  Place your feet one on either side of the outlet, and
then plug 'er in. You've heard of colon cleansing?, well, I call this
Jeff's DIY ES brain cleansing(you're gonna  get a colon cleansing as
well, at no extra charge, but that's not the main deal, just icing on
the cake).  Be sure that the cord is shorter than you are (to insure
that when your back arches and your legs straighten spasmodically, the
cord is jerked from the wall), otherwise you could cause yourself
serious injury or death.

If you are pleased with the result, and want more, you can attach one
of the "electrodes" to your nipples or genitals for that special
"National Security Frisson".  I refer to this as Jeff's DIY "Enhanced"
ES Brain Cleansing.

> A similar war fought by Russia or China would have had a Muslim death toll
> ten times (or a hundred times...) what we have had due to mass executions,
> concentration/labor camps, the firebombing of entire cities, starvation,
> rape, body organ stealing, disease, and death march deportations.

Not to mention puppies set on fire, dildoes in the shape Pirogis and
egg rolls, and toilet paper with faces of American presidents printed
one to a sheet.   Aaarggggh!!!  those evil commies, is there no limit
to their depravity??!!

> The
> United States has tried, at least up to a point, to fight humanely.

And what point is that, the point at which they cross the Iraqi border?

> America has it's definite shortcomings,

A vile slander!  Off to Guantanamo with him for the international
waterboarding finals!

>  but at least we have values and
> principles to aspire to

Or hide behind, until the veil is stripped away by al Jazeera and the
blogosphere.  Why, oh why won't they just learn how to say "How high?"
All we are saying is give American exceptionalism a chance.

>(despite sometimes veering off in the wrong
> direction, until course corrections are made)

Despite sometimes veering off in the right
direction, until course corrections are made

> instead of merely always
> pursuing power for it's own sake and with no concern for human life and
> liberty, which is the approach of our rivals.

I don't know.  Sounds an awful lot like the approach of the US political class.
> At least in the cases of the Taliban and Al Queda, we are trying to root out
> very vicious organizations that delight in crimes against humanity and who
> want to cripple Western civilization.

Yeah, yeah.   And set puppies on fire, make all women look like Ernest
Borgnine, make baseball illegal unless you wear a tutu, force
Republicans to pretend that they're straight, etc

>  Yes, it's terrible that so many
> innocent Muslims have died in this war, but often their own people (the
> insurgents), hide amongst them and use these unfortunate souls as cover
> & impromptu human shields.

It's called defending their neighborhood.  They live there.

The "human shields" canard is just standard, lame (but nonetheless
effective) pentagon blame shifting.They much prefer (though they ever
so deeply regret) killing civilians by the hundreds than risking the
lives of grunts in house to house fighting.


John, I feel badly about taking you to task so harshly, but it had to
be done.  I hope you will forgive me.  I know your heart's in the
right place.

Best, Jeff Davis

"Enjoying being insulting is a youthful corruption of power. You lose
your taste for it when you realize how hard people try, how much they
mind, and how long they remember."
                          Martin Amis

More information about the extropy-chat mailing list