[ExI] SIngularity - Non-Gender Specific
thespike at satx.rr.com
Wed Sep 30 18:21:05 UTC 2009
On 9/30/2009 6:56 AM, Tom Nowell wrote:
< Dami[e]n wrote :"Since "the Singularity" is an abstract concept about
rates of change in technology, I don't see how it can be *personalized*
as either male or female, except in the figuration of Terminators or
Gaiamind or some other comic-strip reductionism."
I have to disagree with Dami[e]n and Natasha here. Abstract concepts
have a way of taking on their own lives once they leave the purely
That's in part what I was trying to say.
< "The Singularity", as Anders pointed out, can refer to different
things, as people have several different conceptions.
...So, asking a survey of people what they think of in association with
the singularity - you might get as the top answers things like
"nanotech", "uploading", "immortality", "artifical intelligence" and the
Now people have been arguing about whether the singularity naturally
attracts men more than women because of any male disposition towards
technology. I think a far more important factor is that some of the
things associated with the singularity are more alienating to women than
to men. >
Yes, this is an important point. But perhaps not so cut and dried as
<A singularity of mass uploading can be alienating to someone brought up
in a culture of obsessing over body image and beauty - if "Fat is a
feminist issue", then talk of abandoning the physical body as inevitable
may be alienating. >
Those who reject "objectification" (as I believe they should) might also
be persuaded to accept new forms that differ from a consumerist norm.
And those for whom obsessive diets and "makeover" plastic surgery etc
are not only acceptable but desirable, if only in their dreams, should
also be open to such changes.
< Some of the visions of a near-singularity or post-singularity
existence are radically depersonalised, dealing with posthumans and AI
rather than people like us becoming transhuman. >
That's certainly one impulse in >H to date. But it's also interesting
that Spock and Data are said to be sex objects among the slash
community, mostly women.
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