[ExI] transhumanism as a philosophy

Tue Jun 22 18:30:12 UTC 2010

Perhaps this is a good time to jump in, granted it is with a point  
that some may be tired of considering, but would help I think. This  
may even have been the intent on Giulio's bumper sticker.

If we were to render things down, is it possible to make a tree that  
starts with the most basic Transhuman tenants and work out where the  
branches are that would be considered Extropian or other flavors, that  
could also include where they overlap?

It would help a great deal with propagation, and we've got a societal  
chasm to cross at this point.

What would be #1?

Any thoughts?

Quoting natasha at natasha.cc:

> Quoting Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>:
>
>> Believe me Natasha, I perfectly understand your reaction. But Damien's
>> "accusation" is not an accusation, but a statement of fact.
>
> I think you misread Damien's message.  He said: "Hence, it hardly seems
> necessary to invoke a conspiracy to explain why ..."  I did not invoke
> a conspiracy. I was recalling what had transpired and which is well
> known as a matter of Fact.
>
> I have been a big cheerleader and a pain in the neck to get Max up and
> running again and I am clearly and most definitely not in denial about
> his absence and the absence of all the frick'n hard work. THAT IS A
> FACT.
>
>
>> It is a fact that others have taken advantage of the perceived absence
>> of Max and the Extropy Institute, and promoted their favorite
>> interpretation of transhumanism as _the_ interpretation of
>> transhumanism.
>
> Yes, this is very true.
>
>> I and many others are not satisfied with this.
>
> Yes, this is very true.
>
>> There
>> are certainly many exciting transhumanist projects around, but without
>> the central hub that the Extropy Institute represented.
>
> Yes, this is very true.
>
>> The question is, how to recover the spirit and practical organization
>> of a few years ago.
>
> Some $$$ would be a great start. :-)
>
> N
>
>
>>
>> G.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Natasha Vita-More    
>> <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>>> Oh for goodness sakes Damien.  I will wait for an apology for such a
>>> unnecessary accusation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Natasha
>>> Natasha Vita-More
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
>>> [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Damien
>>> Broderick
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:21 AM
>>> To: ExI chat list
>>> Cc: RussellBlackford
>>> Subject: Re: [ExI] transhumanism as a philosophy
>>>
>>> On 6/22/2010 8:11 AM, Natasha Vita-More wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The big special issues of JET that we published a year or two back
>>>> are arguably the best intellectual resource that exists, and they
>>>> should be referred to, but I don't see any common philosophical system
>>> there."
>>>>
>>>> There is some truth to this, but it does not out-think "Extropy: A
>>>> Journal of Transhumanist Thought". It is simply more academic in scope.
>>>
>>> JET is available to everyone in an instant at http://jetpress.org/ .
>>> Despite my long interest and involvement in the topic, I have never seen a
>>> copy, real or virtual, of "Extropy: A Journal of Transhumanist   
>>> Thought," and
>>> as I pointed out recently it doesn't appear to be accessible online. Bryan
>>> urled to the Wayback Machine, but it isn't there either, it seems. The
>>> Extropy Institute has been closed down for a long time now. Bostrom and
>>> Hughes and Sandberg and Blackford are everywhere, in person and in print,
>>> while Max is... less so (except, perhaps tangentially, in the business
>>> community). Hence, it hardly seems necessary to invoke a conspiracy to
>>> explain why the active and visible representatives of   
>>> transhumanism get more
>>> attention--and have more sway, assuming they do.
>>>
>>> The >H READER might change this, when and if it appears.
>>>
>>> Damien Broderick
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