[ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled

[Rafal Smigrodzki]

2010/3/4 Christopher Luebcke <cluebcke at yahoo.com>:

 You cannot possibly mean that
> no change in sea level, no matter how great, would put Bangladeshis at risk,
> can you? Would one meter per day do it? One meter per year? One meter per
> decade? Per 50 years? Per century? You may not believe that a sea level rise
> rapid enough to put them at risk is likely, but to simply state that they
> are not at risk is careless.

### We are talking about realistic scenarios related to manmade
climate warming, not about sea level changes caused by lasers fired at
the Antarctic by mischievous aliens, or other such situations. In
realistic scenarios Bangladesh is not at risk.

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> Regarding sea ice: It is not at all clear that world sea ice cover is more
> important than Arctic ice.

### Of course it is. World sea ice cover is more of a global
phenomenon, it is better correlated with global temperatures. Arctic
ice cover is more likely to be influenced by local phenomena, like
prevailing winds.

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>I don't give a damn about the average temperature
> of the ocean (or anything else).

### You should. If the ocean warms, it expands and could flood.

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I care about events that indicate an
> increased potential for disruptive (read: suffering-generating) climate
> change. I'm sure you're aware of the significants climatologists place on
> the more-rapid-than-expected Arctic melt, so I can only assume that you feel
> that you're right, they're wrong and there's no problem.

### Name the climatologists who claim that changes in Arctic sea ice
can cause disruptive rises in sea level. Just give me references to
peer-reviewed literature making this claim.

You seem care about the wrong events.

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> I didn't make the claims you implied I did. I didn't claim that Bangladesh
> had already been losing land, and I didn't claim that global sea ice cover
> had been shrinking. Again, please read carefully.

### Yeah, that's the point of innuendo - not making any clear claims.

Rafal