[ExI] Question from a neophyte

[Giulio Prisco]

Yes Natasha, you are right, most of the people who post frequently to
this list do not need this lecture. I don't read the WTA list often,
because I find watered-down transhumanism boring.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>
> Your post is overtly pedantic and barks up the wrong tree by lecturing to
> the choir.  You don't need to do that here - do it  on the WTA list if you
> want to blast watered-down transhumanism.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Giulio Prisco
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:33 AM
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> Subject: Re: [ExI] Question from a neophyte
>
> I do, indeed, favor unPCness. Our world is becoming too much of a PC
> nanny-state benevolent dictatorship, and this disturbing trend must be
> countered with some healthy unPCness.
>
> As far as bridges are concerned: I am in favor of building bridges, but they
> must be built from both sides. Unilaterally building a bridge is always seen
> as a weakness from the other side, which replies with more and more, less
> and less reasonable demands. Look at those pathetic ex-transhumanists who
> have tried to build bridges, and then have been forced into renouncing
> transhumanism.
>
> No, I say we continue to affirm the disruptive, promethean, radical and
> revolutionary vision of transhumanism, of which this list has been the main,
> the best, and for many years the only example. I want transhumanism to
> become a mass movement -- but it must remain transhumanism. We want to win
> minds and hearts by kicking ass, not by kissing it.
>
> G.
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:54 PM,  <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>> What is quite confusing to me is to have to defend my views concerning
>> the future human after I years in this area and have written, lectured
>> and designed a concept for a future human which is not sequestered to
>> a meat body (but does not denounce *a* body) and in fact, suggests
>> multiple shapes and substrates with which to house, if you will,
>> identity for the extension of personal identity over time and space.
>>
>> Be it that I do not favor Moravec specific design; it does not mean
>> that I am blind to the well-known transhumanist far future
>> noosphere-istic type environment that we have long discussed.
>>
>> Morphological Freedom?
>>
>> hrart.wordpress.com/.../natasha-vita-more-us-?morphological-freedom?-4
>> -photographs-2008-wwwnatashacc/ ,
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphological_freedom ,
>> www.natasha.cc/designwar.pdf
>>
>> Anyway, the issue seems to be socio-political. From what I understand,
>> and I could be wrong, Giulio actively favors being politically
>> incorrect.   As an artist, I have been pretty much politically
>> incorrect most my life! :-) and would rather build bridges these days
>> by just trying to be as correct as possible (given my human intellect
>> which is not much to write about) and by being kind-hearted.
>>
>> Best,
>> Natasha
>>
>>
>> Quoting Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I certainly agree that Moravec is not the only entry point. But for
>>> me, he is one of the main entry points. Transhumanism is not _only_,
>>> but _also_ about robots and bush people. As a philosophical position,
>>> we are for self ownership and morphological freedom, the freedom to
>>> modify one's body at will. I interpret morphological freedom in its
>>> widest sense, inclusive of escaping biology, or living as pure
>>> software.
>>>
>>> Of course these options will become available much later than the
>>> options, being developed, for improving our biological bodies by
>>> biotechnology. But for me the ultimate objective is, to use now
>>> politically incorrect words, to escape the meat.
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