[ExI] Question from a neophyte

[natasha at natasha.cc]

By the way, this morning after reading your post, I took in a little  
George Carlin and some heady politically incorrect fun with Bill  
Maher.  Great with a morning cup of coffee --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h2EYPvQDqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_bYnvR_fRg



Quoting Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>:

> Yes Natasha, you are right, most of the people who post frequently to
> this list do not need this lecture. I don't read the WTA list often,
> because I find watered-down transhumanism boring.
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>>
>> Your post is overtly pedantic and barks up the wrong tree by lecturing to
>> the choir.  You don't need to do that here - do it  on the WTA list if you
>> want to blast watered-down transhumanism.
>>
>>
>> Nlogo1.tif Natasha Vita-More
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Giulio Prisco
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:33 AM
>> To: ExI chat list
>> Subject: Re: [ExI] Question from a neophyte
>>
>> I do, indeed, favor unPCness. Our world is becoming too much of a PC
>> nanny-state benevolent dictatorship, and this disturbing trend must be
>> countered with some healthy unPCness.
>>
>> As far as bridges are concerned: I am in favor of building bridges, but they
>> must be built from both sides. Unilaterally building a bridge is always seen
>> as a weakness from the other side, which replies with more and more, less
>> and less reasonable demands. Look at those pathetic ex-transhumanists who
>> have tried to build bridges, and then have been forced into renouncing
>> transhumanism.
>>
>> No, I say we continue to affirm the disruptive, promethean, radical and
>> revolutionary vision of transhumanism, of which this list has been the main,
>> the best, and for many years the only example. I want transhumanism to
>> become a mass movement -- but it must remain transhumanism. We want to win
>> minds and hearts by kicking ass, not by kissing it.
>>
>> G.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:54 PM,  <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>>> What is quite confusing to me is to have to defend my views concerning
>>> the future human after I years in this area and have written, lectured
>>> and designed a concept for a future human which is not sequestered to
>>> a meat body (but does not denounce *a* body) and in fact, suggests
>>> multiple shapes and substrates with which to house, if you will,
>>> identity for the extension of personal identity over time and space.
>>>
>>> Be it that I do not favor Moravec specific design; it does not mean
>>> that I am blind to the well-known transhumanist far future
>>> noosphere-istic type environment that we have long discussed.
>>>
>>> Morphological Freedom?
>>>
>>> hrart.wordpress.com/.../natasha-vita-more-us-?morphological-freedom?-4
>>> -photographs-2008-wwwnatashacc/ ,
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphological_freedom ,
>>> www.natasha.cc/designwar.pdf
>>>
>>> Anyway, the issue seems to be socio-political. From what I understand,
>>> and I could be wrong, Giulio actively favors being politically
>>> incorrect.   As an artist, I have been pretty much politically
>>> incorrect most my life! :-) and would rather build bridges these days
>>> by just trying to be as correct as possible (given my human intellect
>>> which is not much to write about) and by being kind-hearted.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Natasha
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I certainly agree that Moravec is not the only entry point. But for
>>>> me, he is one of the main entry points. Transhumanism is not _only_,
>>>> but _also_ about robots and bush people. As a philosophical position,
>>>> we are for self ownership and morphological freedom, the freedom to
>>>> modify one's body at will. I interpret morphological freedom in its
>>>> widest sense, inclusive of escaping biology, or living as pure
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>> Of course these options will become available much later than the
>>>> options, being developed, for improving our biological bodies by
>>>> biotechnology. But for me the ultimate objective is, to use now
>>>> politically incorrect words, to escape the meat.
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