[ExI] A question to the moderators WAS: Self-directed Evolution and the Future of Man

Sat May 15 06:51:10 UTC 2010

Stefano may be referring to the endless flame wars between different
groups of Italian transhumanists, and the frequent personal attacks on
this and other lists.

I concede that in this case Fabio's message was, as he says, "a
perfectly straightforward and on-topic message to the list", without
useless polemics or personal attacks.

But I believe Fabio will concede that, in the past, it has not always
been so. And, reading through the list archives, it is evident which
of the two "camps" takes more frequently the initiative to attack the
other. As a matter of fact, Fabio's "camp" seems to have been more
frequently guilty of "initiation of violence". In particular
Giancarlo, whose recent and constructive initiative I can only praise,
had previously posted _only_ personal attacks against Stefano to this
list. This may have provoked Stefano's reaction in this case.

As I said, I welcome and praise Giancarlo's organization of the
workshop and look forward to seeing more and more constructive
contributions and initiatives from his side.

I wish to conclude by exhorting all Italian transhumanists to focus on
promoting transhumanism in their respective political and
philosophical circles, and try putting personal differences aside.
Thanks to the work of all, transhumanism is very frequently covered by
the media in our country, and often with surprisingly positive words.
There is, of course, still a lot of work to do to promote
transhumanism in Italy, and this is what we should do instead of
fighting each other.

G.

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:24 PM,  <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
> Hi Fabio,
>
> I'll let Max and Spike respond fro themselves, but it took me a few minutes
> to figure out precisely what you are referring to.  Correct me if I am
> wrong, but it seems that you are saying that the response to your post from
> Stefano in the following paragraph is defaming you:
>
> Stefano wrote:
>
>> But let us not be too picky, it is refreshing to see Fabio and his
>> friend engaging in something different from conspiracy-mongering,
>> defamation and trolling, and even inviting as speakers a few
>> contributors to "Divenire" and honorary AIT members...
>
> I took this to mean that it is refreshing to see you doing something
> positive, unlike others who are conspiracy-mongering and trolling. But now
> that I am reading it over again, I can interpret it differently to suggest
> that you are conspiracy-mongering and trolling.  If this is correct and
> Stefano is making this accusation, no it is not acceptable.
>
> Max? Spike?
>
> Natasha
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting estropico <estropico at gmail.com>:
>
>> I sent a perfectly straightforward and on-topic message to the list,
>> only to be insulted and publicly defamed by somebody that wasn't
>> mentioned or even remotely hinted at in the message (please see below
>> for the two messages).
>>
>> Is this sort of behaviour ok on extro-chat these days? I admit that I
>> don't read the list as much as I used to, and that I only drop by once
>> a month or so to post about the ExtroBritannia events, but surely this
>> is not acceptable behaviour...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Fabio
>>
>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:17:49 +0100
>>> From: estropico <estropico at gmail.com>
>>> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
>>> Subject: [ExI] Self-directed Evolution and the Future of Man
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <AANLkTimR30xuVFJaiclkkLRu-ABhTm5q6SamIP-feh6G at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>
>>> This is a real breakthrough for Italian transhumanism. For the first
>>> time, in Italy, transhumanist topics are discussed in an academic
>>> context in open collaboration with a transhumanist organization.
>>>
>>> On the 11th of June, in Caserta, near Naples, a conference will take
>>> place at the The San Leucio Belvedere Complex
>>> (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/549), organized by the Second
>>> University of Naples (http://www.unina2.it/) in collaboration with the
>>> Italian Transhumanist Network (or Network H+ www.transumanisti.org),
>>> titled "Self-directed Evolution and the Future of Man". The speakers
>>> are heavy-weight Italian intellectuals who have published books that
>>> touch on self-directed evolution, human enhancement, life-extension,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> The organizer and "scientific coordinator" of the event is Giancarlo
>>> (Giovanni) Stile, assistant professor at Second University of Naples
>>> and one of the founding members of Network H+.
>>>
>>> Here's a leaflet (Pdf) and the Facebook page of the event:
>>>
>>> http://transumanisti.org/docs/invito%20convegno%2011%20giugno%20fronte%20retro.pdf
>>> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=120934554602362
>>>
>>> The program (the presentations *might* get translated to English at a
>>> later stage):
>>>
>>> Prof. Aldo Schiavone - Istituto Italiano di Scienze Umane, Florence  and
>>> Naples
>>> "Nature, Technology, History"
>>>
>>> Prof. Edoardo Boncinelli - University "Vita-Salute San Raffaele" of Milan
>>> "Biological Evolution and Cultural Evolution"
>>>
>>> Prof. Lorenzo d?Avack - University of Rome 3
>>> "The Power of Science Versus Human Rights"
>>>
>>> Prof. Angelo Maria Petroni - University of Rome "La Sapienza"
>>> "Liberalism, Biomedical Progress and Human Enhancement"
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fabio
>>> www.estropico.org
>>> www.transumanisti.org
>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:41:24 +0200
>>> From: Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>
>>> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [ExI] Self-directed Evolution and the Future of Man
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <AANLkTikViZ_E6J3PyY8ZSksKcSdNIq3XQ820O6iPf8LI at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> On 13 May 2010 20:11,  <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I gave a talk on transhuanism at an Italian academic institution  in
>>>> 2006 and
>>>> was a guest lecturer at another Italian academic instution in 2008 to
>>>> lecture to the sudy body specifically on transhumanism.
>>>> http://www.naba.it/newsletter_06_07/n3.html
>>>> http://www.naba.it/page.php?menuId=100&menuLeft=4&contentId=643
>>>> http://www.naba.it/page.php?menuId=318&menuLeft=99&contentId=911
>>>
>>> Indeed, I gave myself a speech on transhumanism at the university of
>>> Padua in 2008. Big deal.
>>>
>>> But let us not be too picky, it is refreshing to see Fabio and his
>>> friend engaging in something different from conspiracy-mongering,
>>> defamation and trolling, and even inviting as speakers a few
>>> contributors to "Divenire" and honorary AIT members...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stefano Vaj
>>>
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