[ExI] don't let your guard down, not for a minute...

giovanni santostasi santostasigio at yahoo.com
Sat Sep 11 04:19:04 UTC 2010

There is no money, no want, no poverty, no crime, no disease or 
ignorance in human society; everyone works for the advancement of all 
humanity--as well as the rest of the Federation. 

I like it, even if it a dream or a show. Yeah, a distraction created by capitalistic Hollywood..but still.... Let's make it so.

--- On Fri, 9/10/10, samantha <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:

From: samantha <sjatkins at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] don't let your guard down, not for a minute...
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 8:59 PM


  On 9/10/10 4:13 PM, giovanni santostasi wrote:
            I agree that on the
              book communism is a far superior social organization than
    Based on what exactly?  On what "book"?


            Capitalism has
              exploitation as a key element by design. 
    False.  Only freely entered trades and other contracts are allowed. 
    No initiation of force including fraud is allowed.


            In a way the fact
              that many people enjoy a modest level of benefits from
              capitalistic society is 1) the result of non capitalistic
              forces achieving rights for the individual 2) a clever
              form of exploitation similar to the roman emperors slogan
              "give them bread and entertainment and the people would be
              submissive". It simply makes us better consumers to be
              given crumbles of the big pie so we happily exploited and


    Empty assertions with neither argument or evidence.


            Of course, so far
              any  real mass-scale communism experiment has failed
              mostly because has been hijacked by tyrannical figures
              that used communism as a cover up.


    Or it is broken by design as I and many others contend including
    many who are former communists.


            Communism is a very
              idealistic approach to society, that if maybe unpractical
              (at least given the level of development of humans at this
              point) shares a lot with the transhumanist ideal of life.

    If the "ideal" is not at all based in reality then how can it be
    ideal for producing the best living systems of real human beings?  A
    system that would work only for some poorly defined quite different
    beings than what humans are deserves scathing contempt - not


    - s



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