[ExI] POST-SCARCITY SYMBOLS Launched (defeat despair, create utopia, share hope).
singularity.utopia at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 16 01:56:19 UTC 2010
We are both speculating about the future, yes? This is an obvious point but it
must be stressed. The future is always uncertain. Weather forecasters can be
armed with reams of data and statistics proving when the sun will shine or not,
but despite the meteorological 'science' of weather prediction the predictions
can often be wrong. Forecasters can be surprised. I don't believe you have
provided any valid data, facts, statistics, or examples to refute my viewpoint,
but even if you did provide unquestionable proofs regarding future consequences
of a colossal "intelligence-explosion" we would always be doubtful of the actual
outcome until it happened.
I choose to believe in a utopia. I believe the inevitability of utopia is proved
via the evidence of technological progress to date. The speedy growth, the
accelerating growth, of science-tech is before our eyes. I cited the concept of
self-fulfilling prophecy because beliefs do have a clear impact upon future
events therefore it is important to believe in utopia, unless you are a
masochist or sadist and you want the future to be hell.
Contrary to your assertion I don't think many people here have grasped the
essence of the Singularity... infinity is possible.
You say there is a difference between virtual reality and reality but what if it
transpired that our universe was a big simulation: a virtual reality? I maintain
there is no difference between sufficiently advanced virtual reality and normal
Anything is possible. Physical matter could easily be created from apparent
nothingness if your brainpower and grasp of reality is sufficiently advanced.
The laws of physics could easily be circumvented or even reinvented. New
physical universes could easily be created. All matter is simply a very
sophisticated computer. You say virtual realities depend upon the substrate
beneath them, but physical reality also is not a castle in the air, everything
is connected to something else, and everything is infinite.
I know the future will be a utopia because I personally will design it. You
underestimate my power, but I cannot prove to you yet how I will create utopia.
You must be patient. There is no limit to the amount of computation a piece of
matter is capable of. I have countered your arguments repeatedly to help you see
the truth. Your failure to comprehend is frustrating, and it is amusing that you
think my analogies are "despicable". I think you need to question the nature of
reality... do you really know what it is? You are responsible for what you think
you are responsible for, you can be responsible for everything or you can be
responsible for nothing, the choice is yours.
You ask if I'm really thinking about these issues or am I spouting what I want
to believe. I could ask you the same, and I will also point out that there is no
difference between thinking about something and spouting what you want to
You ask if I know the difference between dreams and reality. You ask if I
acknowledge a difference. Many people do not know the difference between dreams
and reality. When people are dreaming they often think it is real and it is only
when they awaken that they realize they were dreaming. If I fall in love with
someone in my dreams is that love any less meaningful than love in waking life?
If I feel pain in a dream it is the same feeling of pain I would feel in the
real world. Dreams and reality are like virtual and real worlds. All worlds are
You say I'm coming off as being a mystic. What is this word "mystic"? I have
never heard of this word before; is it a word to describe reality, existence? Is
life mystical? If life is not mystical then perhaps the word should be expunged
from existence? Are you a mystic? I know you believe our minds are limitless
therefore perhaps this is why you refer to me being a mystic?
Everything is grounded in reality because everything is real therefore
everything is science, technology, and existence; best of luck with that.
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