[ExI] Binary proof of evolution

ablainey at aol.com ablainey at aol.com
Mon Sep 27 16:13:33 UTC 2010


 Yes and its that asymetry that lead to the physical universe as we know it. Nothing new there and you are preaching to the choir and in reality even the 'random noise' input from a radio white noise source will still be slightly non random. This can't be avoided and actually helps the arguement for the reasons you and Damien have put forward. I.E there is no totally random events in a asymetric universe. Also true to say there can be no totally random string of heads and tails in a coin toss due to the imballence of the coin etc.
That is not what the experiment is about. It is to demonstrate that randomness can result in patterns. That is, randomness that is more random than the biological world can result in a specific pattern that was created in the physically universe as a result of evolution.



-----Original Message-----
From: spike <spike66 at att.net>
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Sent: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 6:16
Subject: Re: [ExI] Binary proof of evolution


> ...On Behalf Of Damien Broderick
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Binary proof of evolution
> On 9/26/2010 8:31 PM, ablainey at aol.com wrote:
> > Not supposed to be evolution just a demonstration of how total 
> > randomness can create something which evolution has created.
> ...Total randomness can't do 
> anything of the sort. The closest event that comes to mind is 
> the generation of a star out of a random aggregation of 
> untold quadrillions of particles that after hundreds of 
> millions of years coalesce into a shrinking, slowly heating 
> blob... Damien Broderick

Ja, understatement.  Even Damien's example isn't completely random, as shown
by the COBE results.  After the big bang, there was a very slight anisotopy,
a very slight variation in the distribution of matter and energy, which
resulted in every star and every galaxy that eventually formed.  This is a
waaaay cool concept in itself because it represents broken symmetry, which
is hard to explain with current inflation models.  But this is for sure: it
happened.  We can see the remnants to this day in the form of a few
microdegrees variation in the background radiation.

Regarding the role of randomness in evolution, that notion is most commonly
heard today as used by those who are actually arguing against evolution, and
are presenting an argument for how we know god did it all.  A cell didn't
somehow randomly fall together.  Rather, there were a lot of necessary
preliminary steps that we don't fully understand, but we know they happened.


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