[ExI] U.S. deeply imperiled due to it's massive debt

[John Grigg]

Rafal wrote:
###  You seem to imply that corporations are doing wrong by
influencing elections, yet your own influence in this matter is
benign.
>>>

I am saying corporations have been allowed far to much permission to
influence elections with their financial muscle.

You continue:
I would say that peremptorily demanding a voice in other
people's lives (which is what elections amount to) is just immoral,
and by participating in elections you are making yourself as
blameworthy as whoever purchased TARP from Obama and Bush.
>>>

I would say you sound like an anarcho-libertarian!

You wrote;
### Whenever the government of the people and by the people ever
threatens to break out, prudent humans pack up and go elsewhere until
the madness blows over.
>>>

The American Revolution was one to stick around for and support, but
the French Revolution was a good excuse to pack up and leave town...

John


On 9/27/10, Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM, The Avantguardian
> <avantguardian2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com>
>>> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>>> Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 11:12:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [ExI] U.S. deeply imperiled due to it's massive debt
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:33 AM, John Grigg <possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>> > What real hope is there for the United States, due to our crushing
>>> > national deficit (our fault) and our growing dependence on China to
>>> > buy up that debt?  Are we really an empire in full decline?  Or do we
>>> > just face a very painful 5-10 year economic downturn, that we can
>>> > overcome if as a nation we learn to "live within a budget" and also
>>> > keep Wall Street & corporate America in check. LOL!  I guess we are
>>> > screwed...  This video really disturbed me.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>http://fora.tv/2010/07/28/Niall_Ferguson_Empires_on_the_Edge_of_Chaos#Niall_Ferguson_Will_Debt_Trigger_the_Collapse_of_the_US
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> ### Why would you want to keep corporate America in check? To make things
>>>worse?
>>
>> What or who is corporate America? Multinational corporations have no
>> nationality, citizenship, or sense of civic duty. They are simply
>> sociopolitical
>> machines designed play national governments against one another
>> whilst funneling
>> the wealth of nations into the hands of a few. They lobby for legislation
>> in whatever country they want that benefits themselves at the expense
>> of the
>> country as a whole. The weakness of western-style democracy is that
>> lobbying is
>> cheaper than paying taxes and far more influential than voting. So if
>> government
>> of the people, by the people, for the people were to perish from the
>> earth, it
>> would probably be their doing.
>
> ### Whenever the government of the people and by the people ever
> threatens to break out, prudent humans pack up and go elsewhere until
> the madness blows over.
>
> Rafal
>
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