[ExI] The new Century

[Samantha Atkins]

On 08/17/2011 05:09 PM, Will Steinberg wrote:
>
> Samantha, was that post written by a liber-bot?  An argument is *not* 
> regurgitated contradiction...
>

Stuff it.  I said in the message this was the short form of arguments 
already made and not responded to.

> On Aug 17, 2011 7:41 PM, "Samantha Atkins" <sjatkins at mac.com 
> <mailto:sjatkins at mac.com>> wrote:
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> On 08/17/2011 09:09 AM, Amon Zero wrote:
> >
> > I've just posted something new on my blog which might b...
>
> Amon,
>
> You are still repeating several notions that I and others have made 
> sound or at least credible arguments against.  This is disappointing.  
> Short version:
>
> 1) Abolishing all involuntary suffering is a bogus goal as any 
> negative feedback can be experienced as suffering or any less than 
> preferred outcomes whatsoever.
>
> 2) No central committee equivalent, whether technocratic and 
> meritocratic or not, can possibly respond better and as quickly to all 
> conditions as localized talents of perhaps equal competency.  So this 
> is a rehash of central state being better memes with insufficient 
> justification.
>
> 3) No money means no fungible value tokens and thus no sophisticated 
> traded of goods and services and no means to vote with said tokens for 
> what uses of resources are more or less desirable.  This issue does 
> not go away just because you have MNT and/or AGI.
>
> 4) There is nothing wrong with debt or other risk trading per se only 
> with abusive forms and instruments.
>
> 5) Constraining business to the will of society is constraining the 
> productive (producing more value than consumed in doing so) to the 
> whims of a mythical ill-defined mob called "society".  It has nothing 
> to do with a truly "new" century.
>
> 6) Free markets are not in the least what caused the current economic 
> crisis.  Acting as if they are shows a singular lack of understanding 
> and a dangerous one embedded in a supposed policy document.  It is 
> government that much change, not capitalism / free markets.  The 
> embedded screed against capitalism is uncalled for.
>
> 7) The notion that someone needs to be in charge is the largest root 
> of all evil that you seem to embrace.
>
> Before you form a meaningful movement toward a better future you need 
> a much much clearer understanding of where we are, how things work, 
> and most especially a reasonably coherent set of ethical and 
> epistemological building blocks the rest is grounded upon.  What you 
> list here is a hodgepodge of opinions and rather commonplace 
> assumptions and prejudices.  It will not do.
>
> - samantha
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>> All the Best,
>> Amon
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