[ExI] Ashkenazi Longevity was Re: The Catholic Impact (was Re: Origin of ethics and morals)

[Ilia Stambler]

Pardon. Here is the correct link to Passarino's research

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726404.200-inbred-humans-live-to-a-ripe-old-age.html


On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Ilia Stambler <ilia.stambler at gmail.com>wrote:

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> > “Try not to worry about asking questions that might be construed aspolitically incorrect or malicious, if it comes from a good and curious
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> Yes, Inbreeding as such (keeping the genome stable) does seem to play a
> role in longevity.
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> This has even been suggested for humans by Guiseppe Passarino
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> http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc
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> Still the data on the effects of inbreeding are vastly inconsistent, even
> for such presumably well studied animals as cats and dogs.
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> Also very curiously, as of 2009, the five countries with the highest life
> expectancy were 1) San Marino (83 years), 2) Japan (83), 3) Hong Kong (83),
> 4) Switzerland (82), 5) Israel (82) – all are communities with apparently
> relatively high genetic homogeneity/inbreeding.
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> http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc
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> The reason I was worrying about the “political correctness” is that this
> kind of data would be normally cited by rabid nationalists (which I hope I
> am not). And I have actually seen them cite similar evidence
> (interestingly, regarding most nations they use the terms “low genetic
> diversity” and “keeping to the roots” while regarding the Jews it’s usually
> “inbreeding” and “enclosure.”)
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> Still, as you say, perhaps that should not be a cause to disregard a
> phenomenon so interesting and potentially significant for life-extension.
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> Ilia
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> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, PJ Manney <pjmanney at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> 2011/12/15 Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>:
>> > The rest of your message  corresponds pretty much to what I know and
>> think
>> > on the subject and develops it in interesting directions. I would also
>> > recommend here
>> > Abraham's Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People by
>> Jon
>> > Entine and the subject is also marginally touched in Before the Dawn:
>> > Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors by Nicholas Wade.
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>> Thanks for these.  I'm just starting some serious research into the
>> subject.
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>> > What makes the Jewish case interesting is that while I maintain that all
>> > societies and cultures can be seen (also) as eugenic experiments on a
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>> > large scale, the Jews' (relative) historical endogamy has very little
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>> > with geographic segregation and even more than usually with a sense of
>> > collective identity. Moreover, I suspect that the social mechanisms
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>> > in the occasional interbreeding with Gentiles in average actually
>> brought in
>> > "good" genes (say, a rich merchant marrying a beautiful/smart/healthy
>> > Gentile girl), rather than diluting whatever might have been the group
>> > traits in the process of being selected by the factors you mention.
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>> Absolutely!  I joke that I married my non-Jewish husband to add hybrid
>> vigor to my bloodline.  (Well that, and he's adorable!)  He's half
>> Norwegian, half German and has a very different 23 and Me profile and
>> haplogroup than me.  And so far, my children are proving I'm right!
>> :-)
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>> PJ
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