[ExI] Ashkenazi Longevity was Re: The Catholic Impact (was Re: Origin of ethics and morals)

[Ilia Stambler]

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> “Try not to worry about asking questions that might be construed aspolitically incorrect or malicious, if it comes from a good and curious
place.”



Yes, Inbreeding as such (keeping the genome stable) does seem to play a
role in longevity.



This has even been suggested for humans by Guiseppe Passarino



http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc



Still the data on the effects of inbreeding are vastly inconsistent, even
for such presumably well studied animals as cats and dogs.



Also very curiously, as of 2009, the five countries with the highest life
expectancy were 1) San Marino (83 years), 2) Japan (83), 3) Hong Kong (83),
4) Switzerland (82), 5) Israel (82) – all are communities with apparently
relatively high genetic homogeneity/inbreeding.



http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc



The reason I was worrying about the “political correctness” is that this
kind of data would be normally cited by rabid nationalists (which I hope I
am not). And I have actually seen them cite similar evidence
(interestingly, regarding most nations they use the terms “low genetic
diversity” and “keeping to the roots” while regarding the Jews it’s usually
“inbreeding” and “enclosure.”)



Still, as you say, perhaps that should not be a cause to disregard a
phenomenon so interesting and potentially significant for life-extension.



Ilia

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, PJ Manney <pjmanney at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2011/12/15 Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>:
> > The rest of your message  corresponds pretty much to what I know and
> think
> > on the subject and develops it in interesting directions. I would also
> > recommend here
> > Abraham's Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People by
> Jon
> > Entine and the subject is also marginally touched in Before the Dawn:
> > Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors by Nicholas Wade.
>
> Thanks for these.  I'm just starting some serious research into the
> subject.
>
> > What makes the Jewish case interesting is that while I maintain that all
> > societies and cultures can be seen (also) as eugenic experiments on a
> very
> > large scale, the Jews' (relative) historical endogamy has very little to
> do
> > with geographic segregation and even more than usually with a sense of
> > collective identity. Moreover, I suspect that the social mechanisms
> involved
> > in the occasional interbreeding with Gentiles in average actually
> brought in
> > "good" genes (say, a rich merchant marrying a beautiful/smart/healthy
> > Gentile girl), rather than diluting whatever might have been the group
> > traits in the process of being selected by the factors you mention.
>
> Absolutely!  I joke that I married my non-Jewish husband to add hybrid
> vigor to my bloodline.  (Well that, and he's adorable!)  He's half
> Norwegian, half German and has a very different 23 and Me profile and
> haplogroup than me.  And so far, my children are proving I'm right!
> :-)
>
> PJ
>
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