[ExI] The Catholic Impact (was Re: Origin of ethics and morals)

[Mirco Romanato]

Il 21/12/2011 23:36, Stefano Vaj ha scritto:
> On 21 December 2011 22:08, Anders Sandberg <anders at aleph.se
> <mailto:anders at aleph.se>> wrote:
>     On 2011-12-21 16:37, Mirco Romanato wrote:
>         There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
>     And then there are people citing news stories as evidence.

A news story is evidence of a news.

> I am myself "more worried by big organized mainstream groups like
> political parties and churches pushing religious and conservative
> agendas", and have not really a preference for Christian
> fundamentalists, if they could once more have their way in Europe and
> start burning witches and heretics such as Galileo Galilei or Giordano
> Bruno again, over Islamic ones.

I would suggest to find examples less than a century old if you want to
be taken seriously.

> But even though Mirco is not returning the courtesy by supporting to
> some extent a couple of Italian weirdos who claim that *I* would be (to
> say the least) a xenophobe,

Well, I don't think you are a xenophobe. By the way, a bit of xenophobia
is healthy, in my opinion, if moderated by rationality; but too much is
deadly, like salt.
And for the weirdos, you know the main problems are some of your weirdos
writing about the SS as prototype of the political soldier for the
future of Europe and frequenting Casa Pound.

BTW, I believe the recent killing of two Africans in Florence by a
sympathizer of Casa Pound is to ascribe to mental disease alone not
political xenophobia. Casa Pound distanced itself from the killing,
condemned it and marked the fact (supported also from others not
suspected of sympathy for them) that their type of fascism is not racist.

> I think he should be taken seriously when he
> claims that Europe may have after all a Muslim problem, in particular as
> a consequence of the import of alienated, brain-washed, desperate youth
> deprived of a future in their own country, who are induced to come here,
> at the same time seeking some kind or other of Eldorado and being pushed
> to embrace some kind of grotesque caricature of their own identity as a
> way to resist the unavoidable frustration arising from their position of
> second-rate strangers in a strange land. Not so differently, after all,
> from Italians emigrants in the US in the Al Capone era and later.

I disagree about this. The embracing of a radical identity is the mark
of people unable to individually adapt to their living environment. This
is true for Muslims (largely unemployable because they are without a
sound education and with a low IQ - statistically speaking) and
Europeans (like the recent perpetrator of two killing in Florence).

The main reason the problem is exacerbated in Europe (mainly in Northern
Europe) is the "separated but equal" approach of multiculturalism (The
old American Democrats policy). The policies were designed to keep the
not European immigrants in their "ethnic districts" (aka ghettoes).
These policies were enacted by socialists / social-democratic parties
(or they heavily influenced these) and have prevented the integration
(and kept the immigrant voting for them, where they can).

> To bring things back on topic, I would add that such deliberate effort
> at creating artificial melting pots not only is openly aimed at reducing
> cultural diversity in favour of a universal way-of-life, but it helps
> slowing down, as it has always been the case in slavery-based economies,
> technological innovation, which is instead a typical consequence of
> highly-paid, scarce manpower in more communitarian environments.

I would consider these not melting pots (artificial or not) but
artificial millets (the Ottoman system) or artificial ghettoes built
where no one existed before. They imported too many people from too
different backgrounds and this alone would make integration a difficult
task; but they also implemented policies that made integration near
impossible and strife with the local lower classes sure.

Now, like with the economy, the people pay for the insane actions of
their political class. And like a bigger recession will follow an
artificial economic boom, now social tensions will follow social
engineering.

Mirco