[ExI] simulation as an improvement over reality.

Eugen Leitl eugen at leitl.org
Sat Jan 1 16:49:57 UTC 2011


Your quoting is all screwed up, see below.

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 02:28:05PM -0800, The Avantguardian wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> From: John Clark <jonkc at bellsouth.net>
> >To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> >Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:08:17 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ExI] simulation as an improvement over reality.
> >
> >
> >On Dec 31, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Damien Broderick wrote:
> >
> >Dear dog in Himmel! NOBODY HAS EVER DENIED THIS! An exact copy of you MUST 
> >experience himself as you. That's not the problem. The real issue nobody ever 
> >seems to answer was posed by Stuart:
> >>"you should be alright with your long lost twin brother showing up, locking you 
> >
> >>in the cellar,
> >>and assuming your identity. Or cheating death by brainwashing someone else 
> into
> >>honestly believing they are you."
> >>You'd be okay with that, Ben? 
> 
> Damien, that is an extremely stupid question and I think you're smart enough to 
> realize it was a stupid question; if you're not now embarrassed in asking it you 
> 
> damn well should be.
> 
> Yes, the copy experiences self and world exactly as you do and is therefore *a* 
>  you. No, *you* here and now have no stake (other than empathy or envious 
> hatred) in that replica consciousness
> And so you believe that you can copy everything about you EXCEPT for the very 
> most important part, The Thing That Must Not Be Mentioned; at least not 
> mentioned if you don't want to be laughed at by the scientifically minded, the 
> thing that starts with the letter "s". 
> 
> 
> The soul? Is that what you think this is about? I am not talking about 
> metaphysics here. I am an event that has a set of very physical space-time 
> coordinates. Can you copy my space-time coordinates? If my copy does not occupy 
> my position in space and time, it is not me. You can re-enact the battle of 
> Gettysburg down to the most excruciating detail, but never will your renactment 
> *be* the battle of Gettysburg.
> 
>  Stuart LaForge 
> 
> 
> "There is nothing wrong with America that faith, love of freedom, intelligence, 
> and energy of her citizens cannot cure."- Dwight D. Eisenhower 

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