[ExI] Usages of the term libertarianism

[Rafal Smigrodzki]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Kelly Anderson <kellycoinguy at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Our society is currently built off of the idea that the poor should be
> supported by the rich.

### Or rather, the non-workers with political influence are supported
by the workers, especially the ones with little political influence.
That's why the rich elderly get more resources than the young working
class.

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 If in say 40 years, the richest among us are
> all AGIs, and all humans are relatively impoverished (although
> probably rich by today's standards) will the AGIs put up with
> supporting us? I often reflect on the song lyric "We'll make great
> pets" :-)

### Let me refer you to Overcoming Bias where Robin Hanson has been
discussing the issue for some time. He believes the exact opposite -
AIs will be impoverished, living on the edge of poverty, while the
surviving humans (an infinitesimal fraction of the citizens) will be
relatively rich.
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>
> But what will being pets do to the human psyche?

### There are many people who wouldn't even notice it, since they have
been kept on the dole for generations.

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 Do we need work to
> feel fulfilled? Will we all just become artists? Or will we continue
> to try and be economically viable, even though there is nothing we can
> do vs. super intelligent beings?

### It's really hard to tell. Do the super-intellects desire the
resources we need to be viable? How long can very slow thinkers exist
physically in a whirlwind of alien thought?
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>
> Of course, this won't be a problem if we are enhanced to compete with
> the super intelligent beings. I'm speaking more of the non-Ahmish and
> non-enhanced (by choice) portion of humanity.

### I expect that non-modified humans will be largely irrelevant to
the AIs, unless we are very lucky and FAI takes us under her wings.
Irrelevance could mean prompt destruction if existing property rights
are not grandfathered into AI legal system, or else it could mean a
pleasant extended existence (supported by land/IP/matter rents) but
without much to strive for.

Of course, I would upload as quickly as possible. YMMV.

Rafal