[ExI] Small scale solar payback time (was Re: Planetary defense)

Damien Broderick thespike at satx.rr.com
Tue May 24 06:09:15 UTC 2011


On 5/24/2011 12:00 AM, spike wrote:

> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, spike<spike66 at att.net>  wrote:
>>> >>  On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Kelly Anderson  wrote:
>> >  ...
>>>> >>>  I really truly can't understand why Rush Limbaugh is so negative
>>>> >>>  about solar...-Kelly
>
> Actually BillK said it.
>
> Oooops apologies Kelly.  I wouldn't have had BillK as a Rush Limbaugh
> listener.  {8^D

Good dog awmighty. Of course BillK didn't write that (although he 
commented on it).

Of course Kelly was the one baffled that Rush Limbaugh "is so negative." 
(Who? Limbaugh? Negative? Say it ain't so, Joe!)

Here's the original post:

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Kelly Anderson kellycoinguy at gmail.com
Mon May 23 07:32:01 UTC 2011

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On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Brent Neal <brentn at freeshell.org> wrote:
 >
 > On 22 May, 2011, at 4:12, Eugen Leitl wrote:
 >
 >> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 02:03:43PM -0700, Damien Sullivan wrote:
 >>
 >> So there's no orders of magnitude available, unless they're binary,
 >> then you'd get a couple at best. Longevity is up to 40+ years by now,
 >> so the only other improvements is price, material availability, and
 >> EROEI.
 >>
 >
 > You're presuming that efficiency is the best metric for solar panels. 
I would suggest that measurements such as $/watt installed, $/watt 
amortized and DCF payback time, which are much more relevant to "real 
world" solar rollout and order of magnitude improvements in those 
numbers would be profound.
 >
 > B

I agree 100% with Brent. The Walmart crowd is only interested in how
much it costs. The Green crowd is less interested in cost, but only to
an extent. We all have good reasons to support solar:

Lefties love solar because it disempowers the large centralized energy
companies.
Righties love solar because it sticks it to the unfriendly countries
and people in the middle east.
Libertarians and anarchists love solar because it gives more freedom
and independence.

All that's left to make happy are the Capitalists... once the
capitalists are satisfied with solar, it will become very widespread
very quickly. Wind is spreading quickly now because at least some
Capitalists have found joy in the wind. I think it's only a matter of
time for the Capitalists to be made happy on this one.

I really truly can't understand why Rush Limbaugh is so negative about
solar. Ignorance is one possibility, but I can't imagine that being
the only answer because he's held the position for so long.

-Kelly

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Damien Broderick

[now it'll get attributed to me, I suppose...]



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