[ExI] Money and Human Nature (was Re: Capitalism, anti capitalism, emotional arousal)

[Giovanni Santostasi]

What motivates people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

it is not money....
at least to do creative things...

Giovanni Santostasi


On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
<gsantostasi at gmail.com>wrote:

> From Pavlina article:
>
> "Technology handles all the gruntwork, which gives characters the freedom
> to pursue their purpose without worrying so much about meeting their basic
> needs. People work because they want to, not because they have to. The
> characters have the freedom to be lazy and do nothing in this world if they
> wanted to, but they choose to contribute."
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Giovanni Santostasi <
> gsantostasi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about Star Trek society? Read this for example
>>
>> http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/06/lessons-from-star-trek/
>>
>>
>> Giovanni
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Kelly Anderson <kellycoinguy at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> 2011/11/11 Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com>:
>>> > 2011/11/11 Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> Then money is the problem.
>>>
>>> Money is merely a tool that frees us from the burden of finding barter
>>> partners. If you want to go all the way to a system where nobody owns
>>> anything, we can discuss that. Some island systems in Tonga and Tahiti
>>> as well as some hunter gatherer cultures allegedly got past ownership,
>>> and simply shared all they had.
>>>
>>> This is the partial goal of some in the open source movement, as well
>>> as wikileaks and other parts of cyber space. You can't really
>>> effectively get rid of money without also getting rid of the concept
>>> of ownership.
>>>
>>> Now, if you get rid of the concept of ownership... you have to go all
>>> the way, and this eventually means that you cannot claim ownership of
>>> the sub-strait that you use to compute. That is currently your brain.
>>> Some day, it may be a different medium, and you can't own that either.
>>>
>>> A true and full form of collectivism, where we become the Borg, where
>>> we lose all individuality and ego is the only alternative to money
>>> that really makes any sense.
>>>
>>> I get the idea that most of the people on this list are fierce
>>> individualists, and want to remain as individuals. So I don't think,
>>> in the end, many of the list members will go along with "let's get rid
>>> of money"...
>>>
>>> On the other hand, you could probably find a lot of people who would
>>> go along with let's get rid of the federal reserve, or let's get rid
>>> of fractionalized banking... or other aspects of our financial
>>> systems. But that is not money. Money is a much more primitive beast
>>> than that.
>>>
>>> > I think human nature is the problem.
>>>
>>> Here Dave is clearly onto something... :-)  But how much of our human
>>> nature do we really want to give up? Are we really better off without
>>> anger? Are we better off without jealousy? Could we throw out
>>> religion? Get rid of the concept that other people somehow "belong" to
>>> us (as in a "committed" relationship)? What do we want to lose in
>>> order to gain the most. And what is most important to gain?
>>>
>>> Just adding more intelligence without any other adjustments seems to
>>> be a rather limiting choice... likely to lead to a really bad outcome.
>>> But is altruism the answer? Is compassion the answer? More empathy?
>>> Love?
>>>
>>> These are not easy questions, and I don't expect glib answers that
>>> will solve the real problems this kind of thing brings up.
>>>
>>> -Kelly
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