[ExI] cryonics services shopping (was Re: Alcor dumping "grandfathering"?)

[Brent Allsop]

Hi Max,

I didn't know what to think of this thread, and have been mostly 
disappointed with it, so was hoping you would respond, so thanks.  It is 
great to know someone trustworthy like you is now at the head of Alcor, 
and to see these kinds of significant changes that are surely hard for 
an organization like this to make since you've come on board.

I'm still shopping around for a cryonics company, and trying to get more 
educated about all these issues.  Until this thread started, I assumed 
that Alcor was the company that was well funded (meaning less financial 
risk), where as some other companies that require significantly less 
money for a similar service (at least it appears like such on the 
surface), might be at risk of being less well funded or risk financial 
failure.  And that was before I heard that Alcor recently significantly 
upped their prices.  Is this thread telling me that, at least in the 
past, this wasn't the case, even though this may be changing, at even 
significantly more increased prices from competitors?

Is there a source of some good comparison information about the various 
different costs different companies require, and what you get from those 
companies for the buck, especially as far as financial or any other kind 
of risk goes and so on?

Brent Allsop


On 8/30/2011 9:43 PM, Max More wrote:
> Keith: Rather than inflaming people based on rumors, why not wait 
> until Alcor communicates what is being considered in order to tackle 
> the massive underfunding problem that has accumulated over many years? 
> (Details of a possible proposal will probably come out in about two 
> weeks.) Something MUST be done, but the proposal under consideration 
> is much less dire than you're painting it.
> Eugene: That's just about a content-free statement. And it's not in 
> the least bit helpful. Who is this "you" that you're referring to? Do 
> you mean yourself? Do you mean people far away from Alcor, in Europe? 
> Do you mean everyone with arrangements with Alcor? I suspect that 
> you've been reading Darwin's blog and actually believing his 
> collection of lies, distortions, exaggerations, out-of-context claims, 
> and occasional truths. Or is there some other basis for this off-hand, 
> dismissive, and destructive statement?
> --Max
> P.S. I'll be traveling to England (for the SENS5 conference) on 
> Thursday morning. I'll do my best to respond to any worthwhile posts 
> on this topic, but can't guarantee that I'll be able to.
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org 
> <mailto:eugen at leitl.org>> wrote:
>
>     On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 09:16:52AM -0700, Keith Henson wrote:
>
>     > Alcor seems to be in the middle making  a decisions to raise the
>     > minimum suspension funding retroactively.  For the people who set up
>     > insurance years ago, and are now too old to get more, they may
>     have to
>     > go elsewhere or give up the prospect of being suspended entirely.
>
>     You're not getting a lot for your dues anyway.
>
>
>
> -- 
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