[ExI] cryonics services shopping (was Re: Alcor dumping "grandfathering"?)

Max More max at maxmore.com
Thu Sep 1 04:20:53 UTC 2011

Hi Brent,

This isn't a good time for me engage in discussing this in depth. I'm
packing ready to fly to England in the morning (SENS5 conference). I'd be
happy to talk with you further when I get back from the middle of next week.
What I can say is that Alcor is far the most well-funded cryonics
organization. Given the alternatives, unfortunately that's not much to boast


2011/8/31 Brent Allsop <brent.allsop at canonizer.com>

> Hi Max,
> I didn't know what to think of this thread, and have been mostly
> disappointed with it, so was hoping you would respond, so thanks.  It is
> great to know someone trustworthy like you is now at the head of Alcor, and
> to see these kinds of significant changes that are surely hard for an
> organization like this to make since you've come on board.
> I'm still shopping around for a cryonics company, and trying to get more
> educated about all these issues.  Until this thread started, I assumed that
> Alcor was the company that was well funded (meaning less financial risk),
> where as some other companies that require significantly less money for a
> similar service (at least it appears like such on the surface), might be at
> risk of being less well funded or risk financial failure.  And that was
> before I heard that Alcor recently significantly upped their prices.  Is
> this thread telling me that, at least in the past, this wasn't the case,
> even though this may be changing, at even significantly more increased
> prices from competitors?
> Is there a source of some good comparison information about the various
> different costs different companies require, and what you get from those
> companies for the buck, especially as far as financial or any other kind of
> risk goes and so on?
> Brent Allsop
> On 8/30/2011 9:43 PM, Max More wrote:
> Keith: Rather than inflaming people based on rumors, why not wait until
> Alcor communicates what is being considered in order to tackle the massive
> underfunding problem that has accumulated over many years? (Details of a
> possible proposal will probably come out in about two weeks.) Something MUST
> be done, but the proposal under consideration is much less dire than you're
> painting it.
> Eugene: That's just about a content-free statement. And it's not in the
> least bit helpful. Who is this "you" that you're referring to? Do you mean
> yourself? Do you mean people far away from Alcor, in Europe? Do you mean
> everyone with arrangements with Alcor? I suspect that you've been reading
> Darwin's blog and actually believing his collection of lies, distortions,
> exaggerations, out-of-context claims, and occasional truths. Or is there
> some other basis for this off-hand, dismissive, and destructive statement?
> --Max
> P.S. I'll be traveling to England (for the SENS5 conference) on Thursday
> morning. I'll do my best to respond to any worthwhile posts on this topic,
> but can't guarantee that I'll be able to.
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 09:16:52AM -0700, Keith Henson wrote:
>> > Alcor seems to be in the middle making  a decisions to raise the
>> > minimum suspension funding retroactively.  For the people who set up
>> > insurance years ago, and are now too old to get more, they may have to
>> > go elsewhere or give up the prospect of being suspended entirely.
>>  You're not getting a lot for your dues anyway.
> --
>  Max More
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Max More
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Co-editor, *The Transhumanist Reader*
CEO, Alcor Life Extension Foundation
7895 E. Acoma Dr # 110
Scottsdale, AZ 85260
480/905-1906 ext 113
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