[ExI] Alcor dumping "grandfathering"?

[Eugen Leitl]

On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 05:33:38AM -0700, Max More wrote:
> Eugene: If you don't want to discuss this publically, fine, but let me know
> privately what you find dyfunctional. Since I've only been on the job for a

Max, will be very happy to. As you're busy, and I'm travelling it will
be not instanteous.

> few months and many positive changes have already been made and more are
> underway, I don't understand why you dismiss my ability to improve things.
> Perhaps you have been reading too much of Darwin's blog, which is replete
> with lies, distortions, exaggerations, and out of context statements, with a

Mike is also a good friend of mine, so I'm naturally biased. However, it
would be very easy to set the record straight by showing where he's 
incorrect. 

> few truths mixed in. Other than that, I can't understand why you would make
> such a negative judgment.

I was moderately hopeful that you'll be able to kick ass and take names
at Alcor, and in fact I deliberately withheld any kind of comment until recently.
However, what little has been made public so far worries me. But let's move that to private mail.
 
> And, sheesh, what's wrong with talking of "going on the offensive" with
> boosting membership growth?

By itself, it's a great goal.
 
> --Max
> 
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 06:31:55PM -0400, Mike Dougherty wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > I hope that is a joke.  It seems to border on hyper-sensitive to me.
> > > [snip]
> > > > Yes, some of the world is indeed that anal.  Why does that mean we
> > should be?
> > >
> > > I'm not suggesting that I was disturbed by those words.  There have
> > > been other threads about Alcor advising careful word choice (or
> > > discussion topics) because the archives are public, indexed &
> > > discoverable by those outside "our group."
> >
> > I typically abstain from critizing organisations, but it's pretty
> > obvious that Alcor, which I used to recommend, is no longer worth
> > the membership money. I really hoped that Max (whom I personally
> > respect and consider a friend) would be the white knight in
> > shining armor to slay the dysfunctionality dragon but it apparently
> > won't be on his watch. Arguably, Alcor is sufficiently dysfunctional
> > that it can't be salvaged from within, and we'll have an alternative
> > organisation eventually ready to take its place (unlikely, but in
> > theory possible).
> >
> > You don't have to agree; just take this as my assessment at this point.
> > And, no, I will not descend into specifics in public.
> >
> > Should Max or his successors manage the wondrous deed I will revise it,
> > of course.
> >
> > > I also wouldn't want to make a big deal about it either.  In the vein
> > > of the Max More Turing test, I would not have expected real Max to use
> > > that colloquialism.  Maybe I should be less sensitive to writing
> > > style.
> >
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