rtomek at ceti.pl
Sat Apr 28 18:21:06 UTC 2012
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Alan Grimes wrote:
> Brent Allsop wrote:
> > (which, by the way would
> > solve all world problems, including aging, disease, expensive, risky,
> > space travel... making these early space efforts still a complete moral
> > waist of time leading to the damnation of how many more people
> > unnecessarily rotting in the grave?)
> I completely disagree on all points.
Right. I think too many people idealise conflict as something belonging to
the world of idea, while in fact it is (I suspect) always rooted in the
world of matter. Therefore we can talk ourselves dead but on the morning
will grab the flint and go hunting our disputants. Or else we will be
However, even those who pretend to not understand a conflict will switch
to their instincts when situation calls for it. Later forget about it all.
Idealise something again.
Now, that's the source of the problem. Idealism not talking about what
lives in a basement.
It is both tragic and fancy. Many such idealists spend their days babbling
about memes and genes, and how we are just vehicles for them. Then,
magically, they switch to talk how to solve world's problems like if they
were caused by just some error in translation.
About uploading: I smell a swindle. I would have big difficulty convincing
myself that I should give up myself and become, basically, a process in a
computer. Unless I will be able to control the computer. And I don't think
I will give away my physical properties, however small, in exchange for
living in a machine owned by some caring corporation.
Other than that, i.e. no corporations, no resigning, no expecting secular
heavens, expecting some hell in a machine, no giving up control and
wanting no swindles, I am very enthusiastic to uploading. But I guess my
expectations drive the level too high to be realised by homo
BTW, I am always ten times more enthusiastic to idea of downloading. A
computer can be smashed by a troglodite (or pissed on by him).
> My reason for this mistrust is that when I express my point of view I
> don't get in reply "oh, that's interesting, my point of view is
> different" but rather "You're wrong and your philosophy is bad."
> Furthermore I have consistently opposed taking steps that would unleash
> a process that would render the universe incompatible with all known
> forms of DNA based life. The uploaders don't seem to recognize that as a
> priority at all.
Is there a place where prospective opponent could have a read about your
philosophy? Like, I would really like to berate it but I tend to not
criticize things that I have no idea about. So I cannot. It is very
stressing situation, you know. I'd like to do something about it.
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
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