[ExI] First PhD to an AGI
rtomek at ceti.pl
Sun Jul 15 23:02:21 UTC 2012
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Kryonica wrote:
> On 14 Jul 2012, at 22:37, Kelly Anderson wrote:
> > With our newly minted doctor in residence, the question occurs to me
> > as to when you think an accredited university will first award a
> > doctorate degree to an artificial intelligence? Anyone want to put
> > their bet into the pool as to when that might occur?
> > I'll go first, I'm guessing 2035.
> Later than that because academics will fear the competition in a world
> in which the ONLY thing that distinguishes them from their cleverer AI
> competitors is a piece of paper with "Ph D" printed on it. So how long
> will it take them to give in? For computer scientists and
> mathematicians, perhaps not that long because their fear will be
> overcome by their admiration for their own brainchildren. For people
> working in the humanities, much longer. Say 2050 for computer science
> and 2070 for English or History.
Not sure about dates but agree on general attitude. For the same reasons,
AGI will get engineering degrees easier.
> And I think the first Ph D in Theology awarded an AI will only be so
> after a long fight with the Vatican and only once the pope himself is a
> cyborg. Say 2250 or thereabout, judging from how long it took the
> Church to come to terms with the theory of evolution.
I guess universities have lots of independency, and in such case one
should not count on Vatican having much to say about this. Of course their
suggestions might be listened to. Overally, whoever gives money to the
uni, has a say about such thing. And I would expect some money involved in
denying AGI any kind of independency. Like, if Wall Street had their owh
AGI-based money machine, would they really allow growth of any idea
suggesting money should belong to the software?
As of pope becoming a cyborg, this is doable anytime. All it takes are,
- hip replacement
- ear implant
- connecting to dialyzer
- heart's pacemaker implantation
- implantation of total artificial heart
- any surgical procedure involving connection to cardiopulmonary bypass
(we allow the pope to become a cyborg temporarilly, right?)
I wouldn't expect as much opposition from the Church officials as from the
Church-goers themselves. Afterall, officials are expected to be educated,
mostly modern folks, with PhDs and sometimes academic achievements. OTOH,
we will wait and maybe we'll see who makes bigger opposition and for what
reason :-). And BTW, why AGI would care it was denied PhD in Theology?
I mean, it is easy to fall into trap when one starts extrapolating future
behaviour of institutions and people involved. For example, there was once
Trofim Lysenko, who opposed Mendelian theory of inheritance and is said to
have a role in purges of scientists researching genetics in USSR. If you
don't know, sometimes this could mean not only you but your closest family
and even further relatives or friends could go into prison or travel to
Siberia - those travels were often unidirectional. Actually, I believe
Siberia was preferred to prison, because there prisoners could be worked
to death rather than having free prison meals. After all, if a geneticist
was an enemy of people, he did not deserve a bullet, let alone calm and
long life in prison.
About decade after Lysenko's star begun to fade, in 1966, Wlodzimierz
Sedlak wrote a habilitation thesis "Mozliwosc odtworzenia poczatkow
ewolucji organicznej na podstawie komponentu krzemowego" ("On possibility
of recreating organic evolution's beginnings on a base of silicon
substrate" - I'm not sure if this is the best translation, cannot spot
anything better) - this one was from theoretical biology, but he also had
PhD in pedagogy as well as made some pioneering research in bioelectronics
- and he was a Polish Catholic priest, by the way.
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** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
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