[ExI] Of Flying Cars and the Declining Rate of Profit

Giovanni Santostasi gsantostasi at gmail.com
Tue Jun 19 19:08:52 UTC 2012


*
*
*The only solution I can imagine that doesn't require widespread riots*
*and social revolution is redistributing and equalizing wealth.*

And who would do the redistribution? You? Your pals?

Let's start with more fair tax system.
It would be a good step.

Giovanni




On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Mirco Romanato <painlord2k at libero.it>wrote:

> Il 19/06/2012 00:39, Giovanni Santostasi ha scritto:
>
>  Why microtechnology should preclude the development of macrotechnology?
>>
>
> Competition for brilliant minds.
>
> Given the not unlimited pool of minds available, if the brightest work on
> developing micro-technology they have no time to develop macro-technology.
> And often the development of some technology must await advances in some,
> apparently unrelated, field to proceed.
>
> If the governments hire brilliant minds to pursue some central defined
> goals, they drain these minds from pursuing some locally defined goals.
> For example, if the government finance projects like ITER with billions of
> €, they drain people from other fields and leave people like Prof. Woodward
> and Dr. March to experiment with their pocket money and their spare time.
> It is like betting a big sum (a significant sum) for a far away and very
> uncertain return (in the mean time the money spent is lining a long list of
> pockets). This prevent people from experimenting in many directions using
> small sums for nearer returns.
>
>
>  Corporatism is fascism incarnated as Mussolini aptly said.
>> It is a suffocating machine that allows control and manipulation of
>> masses and it can only serve small elites in the inner circle.
>>
>
> Corporatism is a type of socialism, nothing to do with capitalism and a
> free economy. It is socialism because corporatism can not exist without
> government support for a corporation against its competitors.
>
> It is like criticizing democracy when some party decide for a "one head,
> one vote, one time (if we win)" policy.
> If an corporation succeed in becoming dominant on the market competing
> fairly and after persuade the government to prevent further competitors
> from competing, it is like the leading marathoner after the first mile
> convincing the refers to throw nails behind him.
>
> Do you blame the slowing pace to the runners behind the leader? To the
> leader? Or to the refers? Do you blame the feet's wounds to the competition
> or to the refers? Just stop competing, so people stop hurting themselves
> but don't stop refers from throwing nails around. How would we do without
> refers?
>
>
>  The article most powerful analysis is why corporatism is trying to
>> resist at any cost full automation and its final consequence that is
>> democratization of the means of production and rather use modern slavery
>> to continue to have control of production.
>>
>
>  That is the core of the matter.
>>
>
>  In fact, this is the fundamental question (that corporatism is trying to
>> avoid to answer at any cost): what will happen to our economical and
>> social organization when almost of the manual jobs and non creative jobs
>> (from factory worker, to taxi and truck driver, to cashier and even
>> lawyers and accountants) are done by robots?
>>
>
> Poor people could always work for each other, if they have not the
> resources to work for or buy from wealthy people.
> They could pay each other with some money they issue.
> Then, what is the reason to build a factory to mass produce things if
> there is no mass to sell them to?
>
> If production costs fall because of robotization and likes, then stuff
> will cost less for all. Then more people will have free income to spend as
> they like. For example, people could find preferable to hire someone to
> cook something for them than cook themselves or pay someone to tend their
> orchard instead of themselves.
>
>
>
>
>  The only solution I can imagine that doesn't require widespread riots
>> and social revolution is redistributing and equalizing wealth.
>>
>
> And who would do the redistribution? You? Your pals?
>
> Capitalism do a pretty good job in redistributing wealth when governments
> stop interfering with the market.
> For sure it don't redistribute wealth as you or anyone  would like to who
> you or anyone would like. But this is not a bug. It is a feature.
>
> Mirco
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> extropy-chat mailing list
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> http://lists.extropy.org/**mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-**chat<http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20120619/229c8061/attachment.html>


More information about the extropy-chat mailing list